Naked unarmed college student murdered by police

[Rick Modena]

Are you serious, or just drunk?

[347Mike]

Yes, anyone can do a threat assessment almost instantly. The property thing is I am paying for it, fuck off. If you're on it, you've climbed my fence and are a potential threat. It's really not as hard as you make it out to be.
You look at someone. Height, weight, clothing, possible locations to conceal weapons, gait and surroundings. Does this person pose a threat? If so, at what distance?

So if you go outside and almost immediately see a naked guy charging at you, would you consider him wanting to thank you for your service or about to fuck some shit up? Or are you an Olympic runner too and you can run to safety grab something less lethal than a gun and handle the situation?

A person on my property may not be an immediate threat but may be doing recon for an event later.

So you think someone unintentionally walking around on the corner of your property is a threat? Enough of a threat to bring a gun? Why not something less lethal like a tire iron or if you are so adamant about non-deadly force why not invest in a taser you could confront these unwanted civilians with in situations such as these? That is unless you are of the mindset of the cop and if you are greeted with a potential threat you would rather shoot first and protect yourself if something did go down.

[03trubluGT]

People can't hurt cops without weapons. Cops can always power out of it.

Are you serious, or just drunk?

[Rick Modena]

He probably saw you googling his symptoms and lost it.

lol.

[Forever_frost]

So your training is so sophisticated that you can assess a rather stressful situation in a matter of seconds, but you can not asses if a situation on the corner of your property is a threat and would rather shoot?

Am I understanding that correctly? Don't answer that, that is a rhetorical question.

Yes, anyone can do a threat assessment almost instantly. The property thing is I am paying for it, fuck off. If you're on it, you've climbed my fence and are a potential threat. It's really not as hard as you make it out to be.

You look at someone. Height, weight, clothing, possible locations to conceal weapons, gait and surroundings. Does this person pose a threat? If so, at what distance?

A person on my property may not be an immediate threat but may be doing recon for an event later.


Summary: A person walking across a parking lot, may not be an issue. A person IN your car, IS an issue.

[347Mike]

Actually, I have the mentality of threat assessment. My training dictates my actions and I can actually get in worse trouble for using less than lethal equipment than lethal. Unless you're comparing me to a law enforcement officer, with backup, taser, mace, baton, pistol, training and authority to do whatever the hell he wants.

If you would like to make that comparison, I'm willing to do so.

So your training is so sophisticated that you can assess a rather stressful situation in a matter of seconds, but you can not asses if a situation on the corner of your property is a threat and would rather shoot?

Am I understanding that correctly? Don't answer that, that is a rhetorical question.

[Forever_frost]

But, that's him, not someone else. No one else should be trusted with his Glock foty.

Like I would trust a polymer weapon

[Forever_frost]

That's fine. I highly doubt it though.

You have the mentality of shoot first ask questions later and these have been in non hostile non confrontational situations. You have posted this countless times before. I simply do not believe it.

Actually, I have the mentality of threat assessment. My training dictates my actions and I can actually get in worse trouble for using less than lethal equipment than lethal. Unless you're comparing me to a law enforcement officer, with backup, taser, mace, baton, pistol, training and authority to do whatever the hell he wants.

If you would like to make that comparison, I'm willing to do so.

[BradM]

That's fine. I highly doubt it though.

You have the mentality of shoot first ask questions later. You have posted this countless times before. I simply do not believe it.

But, that's him, not someone else. No one else should be trusted with his Glock foty.

[347Mike]

Actually, I'd have done exactly what I said I'd do. Exhaust every other option before lighting someone up. I know this, because I've had to deal with someone trying to take my rifle away, I've dealt with a brick in the back of the head without firing, with someone spitting in my face and other fun shit. If you have a belt with mace, baton, taser, you use those first. Always.

I'm also on private property and not paid to serve and protect. I'm also under no obligation to try to preserve life if possible and the city or school doesn't pay me to handle difficult situations such as this.

That's fine. I highly doubt it though.

You have the mentality of shoot first ask questions later and these have been in non hostile non confrontational situations. You have posted this countless times before. I simply do not believe it.

[Forever_frost]

I don't know what fantasy world you are visiting today but I am pretty sure if you were a cop you would have done the same exact thing. I am pretty sure 95% of the people in the situation would have done the same thing.

You don't like the fact of someone puting their big toe on the corner of your yard, let alone charge at you naked.

Non-lethal weapons in the home? I have a bat, tire iron and a golf club. But again, why would I set myself up by getting that close to him.

Actually, I'd have done exactly what I said I'd do. Exhaust every other option before lighting someone up. I know this, because I've had to deal with someone trying to take my rifle away, I've dealt with a brick in the back of the head without firing, with someone spitting in my face and other fun shit. If you have a belt with mace, baton, taser, you use those first. Always.

I'm also on private property and not paid to serve and protect. I'm also under no obligation to try to preserve life if possible and the city or school doesn't pay me to handle difficult situations such as this.

I am more than willing to say fire this asshole and train everyone else on how to subdue someone without lethal force. If we can do it wearing sape plates, they can do it being able to actually move

[347Mike]

So with this in mind, why should a cop carry anything but a pistol and be taught any hand to hand anything? They should go immediately to the pistol in every instance because getting close to anyone could result in a punch to the temple that will kill them.

I don't know what fantasy world you are visiting today but I am pretty sure if you were a cop you would have done the same exact thing. I am pretty sure 95% of the people in this situation would have done the same thing.

You don't like the fact of someone puting their big toe on the corner of your yard, let alone charge at you naked.

Non-lethal weapons in the home? I have a bat, tire iron and a golf club. But again, why would I set myself up by getting that close to him.

[Forever_frost]

A lot of bleeding hearts in here that don't know the realities of dealing with these type of people/circumstances in the field. I had one of these poor innocent unarmed naked guys nearly kick me and my partners ass in the back of the box one time in Ft. Worth. My "weapon" was an injection of Haldol right in the thigh. A taser in that circumstance won't do anything but piss them off.

Not a bleeding heart by any stretch. If you're a cop, you have a bat belt full of less lethal equipment that should be deployed on unarmed citizens before you ever consider that pistol.

[Forever_frost]

We don't know that he was on any type of drugs yet. Getting naked on a college campus is hardly something new and unheard of.

My first thought was drunk pledge

[Forever_frost]

give me a break seb, you and me both know someone can go down/die from just the right punch to the temple. why should the cop put his life on the line(by going toe-to-toe) for some crazy nutjob who is naked attacking people?

So with this in mind, why should a cop carry anything but a pistol and be taught any hand to hand anything? They should go immediately to the pistol in every instance because getting close to anyone could result in a punch to the temple that will kill them.