Who here is wealthy?

[racrguy]

LOL you are hilarious. You can deny emotions all day long, but that doesnt make them any less legitimate. Emotion plays a part in every single human thought. You denying emotions play a role is like saying that Tali doesnt jack off daily.

Did you not read what I said?

[Rick Modena]

LOL! Well, that's what I keep telling myself. Grass is always greener, of course. And my 5.0 is a '13, not a '14. It's old junk now, about to turn 20k.

My mistake on the year and on the miles, lol.
I just turned 40k on my '12 bought that I bought on 7-1-11 and I was thinking it might be time to trade it on a '15 5.0, especially after I saw it at the Shelby show up front and personal.

All these guys here that are pumping up their kids are still in the 'dressing them up cute on Halloween as winny the pooh or teenage mutant ninja turtles stage'.
All that shit changes when they hit middle school and it doesn't get any easier and the stress level goes up 10 fold...

[Baron Von Crowder]

Sure I can. Emotion has no place in some conversations, like when you're talking about facts. Emotions are subjective, facts are objective, therefore emotion should be disregarded when discussing them. As I already said, it is a fact that children are a bad financial decision. That doesn't mean they're a bad personal decision. I'm capable of breaking down and separating different aspects of things. Typically when I'm arguing something I'm very specific, which is why I limited what I said here today to the financial aspect of it. Not everyone views children as I do, so I expect an emotional attachment to be shown by people who want and have children.

LOL you are hilarious. You can deny emotions all day long, but that doesnt make them any less legitimate. Emotion plays a part in every single human thought. You denying emotions play a role is like saying that Tali doesnt jack off daily.

[racrguy]

I was the same way, never opposed to them, and more or less complacent as to if I would have them or not. My wife wanted to be a mother really badly, and it has been good for us.


It's interesting to see you post up about things like this. You take anything emotionally relevant and stick your fingers in your ears, go "La La La La im not doing it" like a 4 year old, and stick your head in the sand.

You cant have an honest conversation about anything that involves emotion if you refuse to acknowledge that emotion plays a huge role in human decision making.

Sure I can. Emotion has no place in some conversations, like when you're talking about facts. Emotions are subjective, facts are objective, therefore emotion should be disregarded when discussing them. As I already said, it is a fact that children are a bad financial decision. That doesn't mean they're a bad personal decision. I'm capable of breaking down and separating different aspects of things. Typically when I'm arguing something I'm very specific, which is why I limited what I said here today to the financial aspect of it. Not everyone views children as I do, so I expect an emotional attachment to be shown by people who want and have children.

Just think about all the good times you have had and the things you have seen over the last few years after your divorce. Drive out to the mountains in West Texas and right about midnight when you can see the milky way, thank your lucky stars you don't have any kids. You would have been living in hell right now if Jodi would have shit out a few pups. Everything you have done since then would have not happened.
No road trips to see the country, no '14 5.0 and you wouldn't have that house either, you'd still be in that apartment/condo.

Trust me, you are living the dream...

LOL! Well, that's what I keep telling myself. Grass is always greener, of course. And my 5.0 is a '13, not a '14. It's old junk now, about to turn 20k.

[Rick Modena]

I don't know what kids would have done to my life, but it's something I wonder about on occasion. I wasn't ever adamantly opposed to them.

Just think about all the good times you have had and the things you have seen over the last few years after your divorce. Drive out to the mountains in West Texas and right about midnight when you can see the milky way, thank your lucky stars you don't have any kids. You would have been living in hell right now if Jodi would have shit out a few pups. Everything you have done since then would have not happened.
No road trips to see the country, no '14 5.0 and you wouldn't have that house either, you'd still be in that apartment/condo.

Trust me, you are living the dream...

[phaux]

You cant have an honest conversation about anything that involves emotion if you refuse to acknowledge that emotion plays a huge role in human decision making.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Getting married did that to me. Then getting divorced, I threw myself at work and started pulling in the biggest income years of my life, while throwing 20% in my 401k. (I still wasn't hitting the dollar limit I could put in though. ) I don't know what kids would have done to my life, but it's something I wonder about on occasion. I wasn't ever adamantly opposed to them, but the ex would pull ridiculously obnoxious dramatics if a kid was even in the same room as us to make sure I got the point about how much she didn't want them. On the bright side the divorce forced me to really examine where I wanted to go with my life, and at this late stage they weren't in the equation. I've actually been thinking about loosening my strict no kid policy when dating. Hell, I'm rambling, don't know why, but your post got my mind in gear a bit. TL;DR.

I was the same way, never opposed to them, and more or less complacent as to if I would have them or not. My wife wanted to be a mother really badly, and it has been good for us.

No, emotion need not be included when talking about the existence/non-existence of a person or being.

It's interesting to see you post up about things like this. You take anything emotionally relevant and stick your fingers in your ears, go "La La La La im not doing it" like a 4 year old, and stick your head in the sand.

You cant have an honest conversation about anything that involves emotion if you refuse to acknowledge that emotion plays a huge role in human decision making.

[racrguy]

So, yes?

No, emotion need not be included when talking about the existence/non-existence of a person or being.

Having kids gave me a bit more drive to make money, and sound financial decisions that will make sure I can provide for my family. That's the main reason I work everyday at a job that I dont like, because the money is good. Would I rather not have the expenses that they require looming over me? Sure, but Id rather have kids. I'd rather have a family to look forward to going home to, and spending time with. And I'd rather work my ass off on the side to make sure that we as a family can live comfortably. Financial decisions arent necessarily investments. I didnt have kids to put money in the bank.

Getting married did that to me. Then getting divorced, I threw myself at work and started pulling in the biggest income years of my life, while throwing 20% in my 401k. (I still wasn't hitting the dollar limit I could put in though. ) I don't know what kids would have done to my life, but it's something I wonder about on occasion. I wasn't ever adamantly opposed to them, but the ex would pull ridiculously obnoxious dramatics if a kid was even in the same room as us to make sure I got the point about how much she didn't want them. On the bright side the divorce forced me to really examine where I wanted to go with my life, and at this late stage they weren't in the equation. I've actually been thinking about loosening my strict no kid policy when dating. Hell, I'm rambling, don't know why, but your post got my mind in gear a bit. TL;DR.

[racrguy]

It isn't irrelevant though. I can't sit here and honestly tell you that dirt tracking is a waste of time, energy, health and money, because I've never done it. I see it on the service, but that doesn't give me any insight into the joy, stress, relief, or satisfaction with losing

Sure you can. You don't have to engage in something in order to evaluate it's merits. You may not be able to evaluate the joy, stress, relief, or satisfaction of the particular action because they are subjective, but you can evaluate it based on objective terms, like health, money, and time.

I will absolutely agree with you that dirt tracking is a waste of money and time, I'm not so sure about health, as unless you get hurt in an accident of some sorts there aren't typically any adverse health issues associated with it.

My kids have helped me out more than a therapist ever could, I enjoy being around them (now that they're a bit older), and am shaping them to go out there and not take shit from anyone. Am I banking on a return? Not for me, but for them. So I suppose it depends on what your definition of "invest" is and how it is applied.

Given the topic, I limit invest solely in the realm of the financial.

Clears it up some. Keep in mind as well, when I knocked my wife up, I was just excited to not use a condom. My thoughts didn't extend much past hitting the track on Friday's and Saturday's. When she got pregnant I was fucking shocked. Three times. Once I figured out the cause, I got snipped.

This doesn't surprise me at all coming from you. lol

Think about it like volunteering, sometimes you do it for the altruism and other times you do it for self(ishness) satisfaction, but at least when they belong to you, you can whip the shit out of them.

Wait. They have to be yours before you can whip the shit out of them? Oops.

[Baron Von Crowder]

Naah. I take it into account there and completely disregard any emotional attachment there as well. I fully well recognize and accept my bias against religion.

So, yes?

[Mach1]

Im SRS BRAH, for real, I'd like to hear how that worked out for you, Im thinking about renting my house and I'd like to know what i'm getting into, someone already gave me some good advice, setup autodraft for the tenant, make them pay for all repairs under $100, etc. But I would like to hear your story.

[racrguy]

Kinda like god and religion and stuff.

Naah. I take it into account there and completely disregard any emotional attachment there as well. I fully well recognize and accept my bias against religion.

[Sean88gt]

This is irrelevant. I don't have to have kids to think that it is or isn't a good decision. There are some positives to having kids, just not financial ones.

It isn't irrelevant though. I can't sit here and honestly tell you that dirt tracking is a waste of time, energy, health and money, because I've never done it. I see it on the service, but that doesn't give me any insight into the joy, stress, relief, or satisfaction with losing

My kids have helped me out more than a therapist ever could, I enjoy being around them (now that they're a bit older), and am shaping them to go out there and not take shit from anyone. Am I banking on a return? Not for me, but for them. So I suppose it depends on what your definition of "invest" is and how it is applied.

This is true, that's why I limited it solely to finances. If I include the emotional side of things, then it's not so cut and dry. Then you have the water heads that are not thinking about anything except having sex.

They have to make a new generation of serfs.

Clears it up some. Keep in mind as well, when I knocked my wife up, I was just excited to not use a condom. My thoughts didn't extend much past hitting the track on Friday's and Saturday's. When she got pregnant I was fucking shocked. Three times. Once I figured out the cause, I got snipped.

Think about it like volunteering, sometimes you do it for the altruism and other times you do it for self(ishness) satisfaction, but at least when they belong to you, you can whip the shit out of them.