Jury awards Ventura $1.8M in Chris Kyle defamation case

[jewozzy]

Why would it be murder if they tried to steal his truck? I'm pretty sure Texas is one of the most lenient places when it comes to things like this.

I don't really care if he did it or not, but I've worked in/for the Government most of my adult life and I know that if a legitimate official came to me and said I didn't see shit then I didn't see shit. Simple as that. When I got out of the AF I was told that I didn't see shit. When I was at my last job I was told that I didn't see shit. At my current job I am told that I didn't see shit...so guess what?

Well I can assure you law enforcement isn't going to cover that up. At the very least they would tell other law enforcement. But what do I know?

[LANTIRN]

EW sounds like a fun job. You guys are working much further up in the band than the stuff I work on.

You would be surprised at how many jobs in the military sound really cool on paper or in recruitment videos, but are really just just mundane maintenance jobs. Granted some of them are pretty interesting and you can learn a lot of useful job skills for later, but most are not that exciting. Fighter pilots and spec ops might be an exception to the rule. At least the fighter pilots act like it is.

And on the clearance issue, I had a secret clearance and I will say it is rare for someone to be exposed to a ton of classified info. It is all need to know, and just because you have a secret clearance does not mean you can look at secret info. Take my AFSC, for instance. The only secret thing we actually worked with was a hard drive that had some programming that was classified secret. That was literally the only thing we had a need to know daily and the only reason any of us had a clearance. The only time the clearance came in handy where we got to see anything actually interesting was when our commander held a few briefings that we were invited to set in, and even that stuff wasn't that big of a deal but even he had to get authorization from higher up to expand the "need to know". My point is that while there are people in the military who are involved in really interesting and important classified stuff every day, they are not that common, and even they have need to know limits. In fact the only people I actually met who worked with alot of classified stuff worked on the stealth aircraft and they were exposed to a ton of secret or top secret stuff because almost everything on the plane was classified, but they certainly were not being briefed on spy operations or new weapons systems for carriers or the President's schedule.

I did meet one guy who was briefed an a classified event and told after that fact this is what he saw/didn't see, and that is only because they were doing some testing at night and security had cleared off that section of the base, but had somehow missed his shop. They all stepped out for a smoke break and saw whatever it was, and in about 5 minutes their building was locked down and they had some brass telling them to sign these papers saying they wouldn't talk about what they saw. He didn't discuss the actual classified stuff with me, but we were discussing this very subject and I thought it was interesting. The only reason he was told after the fact what he didn't see was because security fucked up and didn't make sure all the buildings were clear in the area. I am sure someone got an ass chewing over that one.

[BMCSean]

No. I have actually seen former law enforcement denied a clearance.

Just an FYI, disclosing your cleared status to anyone without the need-to-know is a violation of the NISP/OM. So whatever you may hold is none of anyone's business here. Being that mine is not active (not currently sponsored or caged) and I am not cleared to access SECRET, I can say that I held a SECRET.

Edit : and yes I always laughed at badges that are color coded to alert to someone's access. Even though some facilities down range that issue their own access badges did require them to be concealed when not in use in that particular facility.

We always enforced that if you were not in the restricted area, it needed to be concealed at all times.

[Roscoe]

There is absolutely no way that a shooting in a public setting got covered up and swept away. No way. I respect the shit out of what he did for our country and in protecting his fellow military brothers. But nope, no way it happened and someone hasn't come

QFT....

If it did happen, it would've been on every news channel moments afterwards with live aerial coverage.

[lowthreeohz]

EW sounds like a fun job. You guys are working much further up in the band than the stuff I work on.

[KBScobravert]

Don't all LEOs have the equivalent to a collateral clearance? This type of incident wouldn't be considered grave to national security so I doubt it would any higher than that...if it happened like you said.

Sounds like Z06killinsbf and I have access to the same place, so if you guys think I'm the next CPA I could always meet him in D-Wing next week. He could check the color on my badge and report back if i'm full of shit. Hell, I'll even show him my DD-214.

No. I have actually seen former law enforcement denied a clearance.

Just an FYI, disclosing your cleared status to anyone without the need-to-know is a violation of the NISP/OM. So whatever you may hold is none of anyone's business here. Being that mine is not active (not currently sponsored or caged) and I am not cleared to access SECRET, I can say that I held a SECRET.

Edit : and yes I always laughed at badges that are color coded to alert to someone's access. Even though some facilities down range that issue their own access badges did require them to be concealed when not in use in that particular facility.

[silverranger]

Basically he's saying he doesn't know as much as he wants you to think he knows...

The never tell you what you saw after the fact. That shit comes long before you see anything.

This!!!!!

[SS Junk]

There is absolutely no way that a shooting in a public setting got covered up and swept away. No way. I respect the shit out of what he did for our country and in protecting his fellow military brothers. But nope, no way it happened and someone hasn't come forward.

The media would've had a field day with it. They'd hear it on the scanner, rush to the scene, gather footage, "Former Navy Seal/baby killing sniper murders two unsuspecting victims during PTSD rage. Film at 11..."

[GE]

The wheels are officially off the bus.

[slow99]

Your right, I don't know shit and I'd like to keep it that way. So who do you work for Mr. Super Secret Squirrel. Lockheed out of Fort Worth? L3 out of Greenville? Maybe you work for Big Safari and work with the Greenville guys?

Ruffdaddy's an engineer ... mother fucka drives trains.

[josh9167]

I worked for Raytheon for a good amount of time and have a lot of friends still there...

Ive only been there for a little bit so between that, and the fact that most of the people I work for are out of Goleta and El Segundo, I probably don't know them.

Maybe you went to Boeing?

[Ruffdaddy]

I worked for Raytheon for a good amount of time and have a lot of friends still there...

[josh9167]

You don't know what you don't know. And I spent my share of time in mckinney, richardson, plano and dallas. stop trying to act like you know more than you do...it won't get you Anywhere.

Your right, I don't know shit and I'd like to keep it that way. So who do you work for Mr. Super Secret Squirrel. Lockheed out of Fort Worth? L3 out of Greenville? Maybe you work for Big Safari and work with the Greenville guys?

[Ruffdaddy]

I don't even know the guy and I never said I'm involved in black stuff. BTW there is no above TS shit...just different caveats. You should know that since your an expert.

You don't know what you don't know. And I spent my share of time in mckinney, richardson, plano and dallas. stop trying to act like you know more than you do...it won't get you Anywhere.

[josh9167]

Lol at Raytheon Mckinney Being where you guys share all your secret shit. Trust me...I aware of who Z06 is...and he's not involved in the TS, black and above shit you think he is. Having a clearance isn't the same as dealing with the details.

Playing like you know more than you do isn't a good call. Hopefully Z06 will tell you to back off soon.

I don't even know the guy and I never said I'm involved in black stuff. BTW there is no above TS shit...just different caveats. You should know that since your an expert.