mike brown vs. eric garner

[dcs13]

Here's another question. Can you name me a scenario where a medical examiner rules a death a homicide, and you or I don't get at least a trial out of it?

Happens all the time-

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Police-Man-71-Fatally-Shot-Man-Who-Attacked-His-Wife-280776112.html

[dcs13]

That definition could not have been written any better to demonstrate that this cop is (at least) criminally negligent.

Please tell me you are not in law enforcement.

So the risk that a fat guy might stop breathing, cops shouldn't arrest them ?

I'm a ranch manager/welder. I got a big cow skin rug too. Does that matter ?

[YALE]

Watch it agin. I just watched it. The first time he says I can't breathe is the same exact time he takes his arm off and puts his hands on the guys head.

That's a different cop. There was still another cop on his back, which is the cause of death, according to the medical examiner. He couldn't breath with someone on his back.

[dcs13]

Bullshit! That officer was riding him like a pony at a fair for minutes. Here's another question. Can you name me a scenario where a medical examiner rules a death a homicide, and you or I don't get at least a trial out of it?

Watch it again. I just watched it. The first time he says I can't breathe is the same exact time he takes his arm off and puts his hands on the guys head.

[Denny]

At the second he said he can't breathe is the same exact time the officers arm was removed and he put both hands on Garners head.

LMFAO!!! Ok, you're trolling now, right?

[YALE]

At the second he said he can't breathe is the same exact time the officers arm was removed and he put both hands on Garners head.

Bullshit! That officer was riding him like a pony at a fair for minutes. Here's another question. Can you name me a scenario where a medical examiner rules a death a homicide, and you or I don't get at least a trial out of it?

[46Tbird]

"A person acts with criminal negligence with
respect to a result or to a circumstance described by a statute defining
an offense when he fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable
risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The
risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it
constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a
reasonable person would observe in the situation."

That definition could not have been written any better to demonstrate that this cop is (at least) criminally negligent.

Please tell me you are not in law enforcement.

[dcs13]

It came into play with Mr. Garner gasping and saying that he couldn't breathe... repeatedly. The hold could have loosened once he was on the ground and other officers on scene.

At the second he said he can't breathe is the same exact time the officers arm was removed and he put both hands on Garners head.

[ELVIS]

But you can certainly go 85 on the tollway without risk of being arrested, bullied by several aggressive cops, choked, thrown to the ground, killed, etc. Well, at least in theory.

100%

god bless.

[Denny]

Here is what NY has a Negligence. We're talking Criminal here, not civil. They going to lose a civil case. But for a grand jury to file charges they have to say he at least was negligent. You tell me where it fits under here:
Criminal negligence." A person acts with criminal negligence with
respect to a result or to a circumstance described by a statute defining
an offense when he fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable
risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The
risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it
constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a
reasonable person would observe in the situation.

It came into play with Mr. Garner gasping and saying that he couldn't breathe... repeatedly. The hold could have loosened once he was on the ground and other officers on scene.

[dcs13]

Don't spout terms if you don't know what they mean.
"...

Here is what NY has a Negligence. We're talking Criminal here, not civil. They going to lose a civil case. But for a grand jury to file charges they have to say he at least was negligent. You tell me where it fits under here:
Criminal negligence." A person acts with criminal negligence with
respect to a result or to a circumstance described by a statute defining
an offense when he fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable
risk that such result will occur or that such circumstance exists. The
risk must be of such nature and degree that the failure to perceive it
constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a
reasonable person would observe in the situation.

[YALE]

Just because you disagree with a law doesn't mean it shouldn't be upheld. I think the speed limit on the tollway should be 85, but that doesn't mean I can go that without risk of a ticket...

Where does officer discretion come into play?

[dcs13]

Tell me again why he needed to be arrested in the first place. I still don't see it.

I agree there. I think that's not a crime they need to be dealing with. However it is a crime and they chose to arrest him. Garner decided not to cooperate.

[ftp]

Just because you disagree with a law doesn't mean it shouldn't be upheld. I think the speed limit on the tollway should be 85, but that doesn't mean I can go that without risk of a ticket...

It's all about prioritizing. 85 on tollway could kill someone, selling loose ciggarettes not so much. Oh wait...

[jluv]

Just because you disagree with a law doesn't mean it shouldn't be upheld. I think the speed limit on the tollway should be 85, but that doesn't mean I can go that without risk of a ticket...

But you can certainly go 85 on the tollway without risk of being arrested, bullied by several aggressive cops, choked, thrown to the ground, killed, etc. Well, at least in theory.