mike brown vs. eric garner

[YALE]

No way.

No?

[jluv]

Fired is reasonable.

No way.

[YALE]

I don't think they meant to kill the guy. I do think they should be punished in some way for fucking up so bad that they killed a guy that didn't deserve to die.

Fired is reasonable.

[jluv]

It's a violation of departmental procedure, rather than an illegal tactic. He was alive when the officer let go. I'm with Yale on involuntary manslaughter at most.

I don't think they meant to kill the guy. I do think they should be punished in some way for fucking up so bad that they killed a guy that didn't deserve to die.

[diablo rojo]

When this hit, traffic in the city came to a complete stop. It took me 4 hours to go 27 blocks this afternoon.

[Denny]

The video seems pretty clear to me. Choke holds are banned for the NYC police. This cop went to it really damn quick, like he couldn't pass up the smallest potential opportunity to do it. The dude was barely resisting, if at all. He certainly wasn't being aggressive, and he didn't commit any crime that warranted that level of aggression by the cop(s). They were clearly impatient and amped up way more than he was, and anxious as hell for some action. This one doesn't fall under "play stupid games...", in my opinion.

That said, it shouldn't be turned into a race thing (though it already has). It shouldn't be an excuse for violence or looting (hopefully it won't).

Oh, and Michael Brown got what he deserved.

It's a violation of departmental procedure, rather than an illegal tactic. He was alive when the officer let go. I'm with Yale on involuntary manslaughter at most.

[Broncojohnny]

Earlier I had a cop on facebook tell me that criminals should just stop being criminals and that the guy doing the choking just wanted to go home to his family. It is like listening to the same old stupid record over and over. Like maybe some fucking faggoty Wham song from the 80s. Over and OVER.

[YALE]

Amazing, all these people die by doing something stupid and breaking the law. Hell of a common denominator

Should you be arrested for selling loose cigarettes in the first place? The government already got its taxes on the pack. Who is the victim he was hurting?

[jluv]

The video seems pretty clear to me. Choke holds are banned for the NYC police. This cop went to it really damn quick, like he couldn't pass up the smallest potential opportunity to do it. The dude was barely resisting, if at all. He certainly wasn't being aggressive, and he didn't commit any crime that warranted that level of aggression by the cop(s). They were clearly impatient and amped up way more than he was, and anxious as hell for some action. This one doesn't fall under "play stupid games...", in my opinion.

That said, it shouldn't be turned into a race thing (though it already has). It shouldn't be an excuse for violence or looting (hopefully it won't).

Oh, and Michael Brown got what he deserved.

[Broncojohnny]

It's amazing to switch back and forth between CNN and Fox. This is about as far apart from opinions as it gets.

I saw some stuff on Fox about how he should have been indicted.

[Denny]

It's amazing to switch back and forth between CNN and Fox. This is about as far apart from opinions as it gets.

[Denny]

The Ferguson deal was pretty obvious. I understand the outrage though because every one of these incidents is met with lies and attempted manipulation of the facts. People have figured it out here lately and they aren't going to stand for it much longer. One of these incidents is going to turn into a bloodbath.

I'm hoping that the next unjustifiable death is caught on tape so we can have one that sticks. These are poor examples.

[Broncojohnny]

These two examples suck for blaming the police, Alan. This one I can see going either way. Ferguson was a no-brainer, though.

The Ferguson deal was pretty obvious. I understand the outrage though because every one of these incidents is met with lies and attempted manipulation of the facts. People have figured it out here lately and they aren't going to stand for it much longer. One of these incidents is going to turn into a bloodbath.

[Denny]

These two examples suck for blaming the police, Alan. This one I can see going either way. Ferguson was a no-brainer, though.

[Broncojohnny]

Will Dcs type up some fucking hack post blaming the 12 year old for what happened to her too? The suspense, it is incredible!

What is more incredible though is how some posters insist in thread after thread that the police are INFALLIBLE in all of these cases. There is always some legal mumbo jumbo, a Ray Bradbury style science fiction story, finger pointing or just plain old fucking lies to dismiss any claim. Meanwhile they mention that everyone else should accept responsibility for their actions.