Ford to discontinue v8 motors in mustang, f-150 after 2017

[mikeb]

If Ford abandons the V8 I see the possibility of several things happening:

1. Customers flee from Ford to GM or Dodge and sales of the F series takes a huge dive, or
2. GM & Dodge immediately follow Fords lead and drop their V8s too, or
3. Ford keeps the V8 in the lineup but charges a very hefty premium for it, milks it for a few years, and then kills it. No new development will occur on it - kind of a death by neglect like GM did with the 454 in the later years.

#1 or #3 will be bad for Ford I believe.

[soap]

They can keep that shit.

[orphan Shelby]

There's no such thing as a cool Neon.

Fuck yall, SRT4s kick ass!! Haters gonna hate

[BLAKE]

All that said, in the very long term, the writing is on the wall. V8's will start to die off. Heck, we'll be going full electric in the next 20 years. The oil age will come to an end in another 50 years. Something will have to give. But it won't happen in 2017.

While you may be right, I'd like to think that there will always be a niche market for new gas powered vehicles.

At the very least, there will be a couple of decades worth of support for what's on the road now. I shudder to think there will ever be an America where all 57 Chevy's (or whatever, pick your favorite classic car) are boat anchors because you can't get a gallon of gas.

[YALE]

There's no such thing as a cool Neon.

[Joe Wiecked]

Blasphemy, I tell ya!!
I want an engine that would shake a fart out of a dead mans ass @ 6' under, and enough torque to twist the world off it's axis!

Hell YA!!!

[cobrajet69]

I'm down with moving to smaller engines. racrguy and I were having this discussion at lunch. A Volkswagen V6 diesel makes the power a 454 made in the 70's, and gets probably three times the fuel mileage doing it. All things must pass, and I care far more about engines being able to go fast and be fun and responsive to driver inputs than I do about them being able to scare life back into roadkill.

Blasphemy, I tell ya!!
I want an engine that would shake a fart out of a dead mans ass @ 6' under, and enough torque to twist the world off it's axis!

Your opinion doesn't count, Yale. You had a Neon.

LMAO


David

[Joe Wiecked]

If fuel mileage is the main concern, they should just move to diesels. My screw 4x4 f250 gets better mileage than my wife's screw f150 4x4 with the ecoboost 6cyl.

Same here. SCrew F250 4x4 6.7 XLT is averaging 18.5mpg, and F150 4x4 5.0 XLT is averaging 16.3mpg.

[Joe Wiecked]

I was told that the total of all the passenger cars sold would have to meet X number for the CAFE standards. So they have to sell a shit ton of small, ultra efficient cars to offset the gas guzzlers

The key word is passenger cars. If it is sold as and registered as a commercial vehicle it is exempt from CAFE.

[Joe Wiecked]

How would they delineate that? Most trucks sold to businesses are still used for personal use. It isn't the dealer/manufacturer's responsibility to track the vehicles after the sale.

Regardless, it's fucking ridiculous, and the manufacturers should have started increasing fuel economy earlier. They have themselves to blame.

Tracked by registration. They are registered differently. Yes, they are and will continue to be used for personal use as well, but they must be registered to a business. If you do not have the right registration qualifications, you won't be able to register it. That is why I said Gov. involvement. Like I said, I have recently went through the process and you have to register in person every year with the required ID card for Farm use. Commercial is very similar I am told. ID card expires the end of the year the following year it is issued. So it must be renewed every year. If you look, you will see most do have the same plates as F150s and everything else, but every once in a while you will see one that says COMM TRUCK or FARM TRUCK. Will be a plain white plate with red letters saying the above, just above the plate number. My F250 and 1 of my trailers are registered this way now. The F150 will change over once the tags expire this year.

If they don't manage it that way, after several years of this type of policy, there will be less out there anyway as if it is only managed at the time of sale, there will be less F250 and larger sold in a given year.

[Sgt Beavis]

If this was true, why did Ford develop a new flat plane crank V8 for the GT350 and GT350R. You mean to tell me they would abandon V8s on mass produced vehicles but still build a new one for extremely niche cars?

Here's the thing, the CAFE rating is a fleet average. Ford can sell as many V8s as they want as long as they sell enough fuel efficient 4 bangers to stay above the average fuel economy requirement. Also, Chevy built a z06 vette that gets 29MILES PER FRIGGIN GALLON! You mean to tell me Ford can't get that out of the Coyote.

I predict the following will happen..

V8's will remain. Ford doesn't walk away from a profitable market. Cars and trucks will get lighter. Ford will get better fuel economy when their new 10 speed auto hits the market next year (Ford Raptor is confirmed to be getting this tranny). We will see DI and cylinder deactivation. However I see V8's being sold at a premium. Ford already charges an extra $700 (over the 2.7EBv6) for the 5.0 in the 2015 F150.

EB 4 bangers will get better too. Ford wants to sell more of these. I predict it will become the standard engine in the Mustang. The base V6 will eventually die. Perhaps Ford will sell a small EB4 for the base Mustang to get it above 35 or 40mpg. There are plenty of people that want a fast looking, but very practical, car for a reasonable price. That will get the corporate average up enough to give us the V8 we want...

All that said, in the very long term, the writing is on the wall. V8's will start to die off. Heck, we'll be going full electric in the next 20 years. The oil age will come to an end in another 50 years. Something will have to give. But it won't happen in 2017.

[mstng86]

Your opinion doesn't count, Yale. You had a Neon.

was it even the "cool" neon?

[BLAKE]

Your opinion doesn't count, Yale. You had a Neon.

[YALE]

I'm down with moving to smaller engines. racrguy and I were having this discussion at lunch. A Volkswagen V6 diesel makes the power a 454 made in the 70's, and gets probably three times the fuel mileage doing it. All things must pass, and I care far more about engines being able to go fast and be fun and responsive to driver inputs than I do about them being able to scare life back into roadkill.

[BLAKE]

Regardless, it's fucking ridiculous, and the manufacturers should have started increasing fuel economy earlier. They have themselves to blame.

They've been working on the ecoboost angle for quite a while now, and it's working. Hard to blame them for selling every big truck they can though. The margin on trucks is HUGE.