When they come for your guns . . . You will turn them over

[stevo]

He wasn't a soldier

Grove rat wasn't a soldier? I could have sworn I read him post he was in the Marines at some time.

Stevo

[Nash B.]

Would you be feeling the same way if HALF of your fellow soldiers were sitting around, refusing to carry a gun or fight, but expected you to hand them food and shelter them? Would you feel the same way if HALF of your fellow soldiers did nothing but make it WORSE and MORE DANGEROUS for you? I really want to know.

Stevo

He wasn't a soldier

[stevo]

every definition of jumping ship i know of is basically quitting and abandoning your post/crew to save yourself. it really is a good thing you didn't join the military, you'd be the first person jumping ship when things got rough


let us know how those kangaroos are. seriously.

Would you be feeling the same way if HALF of your fellow soldiers were sitting around, refusing to carry a gun or fight, but expected you to hand them food and shelter them? Would you feel the same way if HALF of your fellow soldiers did nothing but make it WORSE and MORE DANGEROUS for you? I really want to know.

Stevo

[bubbaearl]

those who have never taken the oath can never understand it . they will never get chills by a missing man fly over or the sounding of taps . life is about liberty , without it there is no life.
there will not be a peaceful disarmament of the american people . to do so would be turning our back on the very core of who we are. those with no investment in liberty and freedom are quick to give it up .

[CJ]

Don't we all...to some degree?

I would rather group up with some crazies that will not hesitate than to group up with some sane...regular folks who might...or might not pull the trigger in time...

It would be in regards to hostile mental illness. You know, like telling psychiatrists you wanted to kill people. I understand the slippery slope it would invite, and that's the part I don't like. However, I don't find odd that 80% of gun owners would support a way to prevent crazy people from getting guns, who would?

[Gtracer]

I assume because you have a mental illness?

Don't we all...to some degree?

I would rather group up with some crazies that will not hesitate than to group up with some sane...regular folks who might...or might not pull the trigger in time...

[CJ]

I disagree with not allowing those with mental illnesses to own weapons.

I assume because you have a mental illness?

[Forever_frost]

They never did it. He's referencing a study regarding changing the NCIS background check to include mental illnesses to avoid crazy ass mofos getting guns. It had nothing to do with face to face transfers.

I disagree with not allowing those with mental illnesses to own weapons.

[Forever_frost]

I will bring the unfortunate souls that decide to take my weapons a war like they never could have imagined. I will quietly mutter under my breath from the water tower "vaya con dios gents" and I will patiently squeeze off round after round into the head of everyone against me until there is no enemy. I will set off every trap I have in place for them and watch the chaos unfold thru my scope. Sure, my nights will be filled with the nightmares and images of the burning screaming people but i will be comforted in the fact that no one will take my freedom. Live for something or die for nothing. Im glad a few of my fellow patriots understand what it means to stand up for what you believe in no matter the cost.
Semper Fi

And people wonder why I like you Jester.

[big_tiger]

Ahh ok. I bought my XD at a gun show; they still did a quick background check (30 mins). Just people thinking that writing laws fixes everything.

[CJ]

Where did they do the survey, Online? lol

They never did it. He's referencing a study regarding changing the NCIS background check to include mental illnesses to avoid crazy ass mofos getting guns. It had nothing to do with face to face transfers.

[big_tiger]

LOL 80% of gun owners want to ban face to face transfers? LOL at this bullshit.

Where did they do the survey, Online? lol

[LS WHAT ??]

just fyi, this site is not exactly a great sample of the general population of the us. sure, if everyone in the country were gun lovers who like to hot rod their cars, plan for dooms day scenarios, and wear american flag sweat pants i'd say the outcome would be very favorable for the masses. instead we live in a country that a huge % of the population relies on the gov. for their basic needs (food, shelter, etc.), those folks would be easy to win over once you cut them off, then you have the folks who just want to survive and will roll over to stay alive, then you'd have the folks who actually support the effort and think guns are the root of all evil, and the list goes on and on. finally you have the dfwmustangs crowd, and even some of these folks would flee the country (dohctr), turn them over, or bunker down and not help the "uprising". so that leaves you with what i'd consider a VERY small % of people who would do jack about it.

Win or no win I would join the uprising and fight for what I believe in, and will die for it. And I rather be remembered as part of the brave men that fought for their rights and not live like a coward.

[dville_gt]

i fully read your post and understand your point of view better now


but i still don't think that it can happen the way you think. i remember reading a statistic that for every 100 american there are 75-80 guns in the US. that's a lot of fucking guns. plus most of them are spread out in the country, not all in major cities. even the most democrat farmer is not gonna just hand over his double barrel or hunting rifle just cause the prez says so. sure the super liberal people in the city will be dumb enough to hand over what they have. but good luck going to every house/farm/trailer that is out in the middle of nowhere and expecting them to just hand over guns. it just won't happen


hopefully it will never come to this and we are just practicing what we do best on dfwm... blowing smoke up each others asses haha

/nh

i will hope for the best and prepare for the worst

[grove rat]

first of all, i didn't write the article. obviously i agree with it for the most part, but i haven't "given up". calling a spade a spade does not indicate i'm happy about it or that it is what i would do.

second, it might be to our advantage to realize that we are not some type of finely tuned, well organized group that would band together and easily overtake the powers that be. at least if everyone has a realistic expectation of how other will or might act it could lend itself advantageous for those who actually will fight back. they won't come out tomorrow and say turn in your guns or else, they will slowly villainize guns and erode gun rights. they will do it in a way that not everyone is affected, so most folks will be "okay" with it since it doesn't pertain to them directly, then eventually once they've got everyone fairly conditioned to the idea of limiting gun ownership, and they've disarmed a % of the population, then i could see them moving in for the rest. at that point the % of the population that could or would be willing to fight back would be lowered to a more manageable number. this is why i think being open to the idea that we could very possibly not be able to fight back at some point highlights the importance of preventing the gov from continually chipping away at our civil liberties (both related to and not related to gun ownership)

i fully read your post and understand your point of view better now


but i still don't think that it can happen the way you think. i remember reading a statistic that for every 100 american there are 75-80 guns in the US. that's a lot of fucking guns. plus most of them are spread out in the country, not all in major cities. even the most democrat farmer is not gonna just hand over his double barrel or hunting rifle just cause the prez says so. sure the super liberal people in the city will be dumb enough to hand over what they have. but good luck going to every house/farm/trailer that is out in the middle of nowhere and expecting them to just hand over guns. it just won't happen


hopefully it will never come to this and we are just practicing what we do best on dfwm... blowing smoke up each others asses haha

/nh