What does ISIS Want?
They want a one world caliphate and the death of anyone not worshipping Allah. That means you atheists? Same boat as Christians and Jews. Enjoy.
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I love how flippant Doc is about it, no matter what bad things people may have done as "Christian", what ISIS does is thereby justifiable. And if one is going to quote the Old Testament genocide, there's actual reasons behind that, if one cares to read up on it.
By the way, the atheist moral codes; however it may be, only exists because of the Christian American values and laws that were established by Christian forefathers. To say these same values wouldn't exist without Christian religion is utter nonsense. Reference ancient Rome and the moral values they had with their religion.
Meanwhile, ISIS is going organ harvesting, which I'm sure is excusable because Crusades/Taiping Rebellion.
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Look for a new thread in a few min. I'm highlighting and copy/pasting parts of a long-ass article titledOriginally posted by Denny View PostThe thing is, today, it is the teachings of Islam that is driving these people. Sound, fundamental Islamic doctrine justifies this. It always has and always will. Islam has been a threat to the,world since day one. It was Muhammad's driving force of proselytizing and his best sellING point that brought in followers. Their goal was to conquer from day one. They use submission as an excuse to either be killed or surrender and accept their laws..
"What ISIS Really Wants
The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Here’s what that means for its strategy—and for how to stop it."
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He'd have the same question if we associated him with an atheist like Mao and his actions. It's whatever.Originally posted by SS Junk View PostStill no explanation for this? I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ. How am I evil?
The thing is, today, it is the teachings of Islam that is driving these people. Sound, fundamental Islamic doctrine justifies this. It always has and always will. Islam has been a threat to the,world since day one. It was Muhammad's driving force of proselytizing and his best sellING point that brought in followers. Their goal was to conquer from day one. They use submission as an excuse to either be killed or surrender and accept their laws.
Can anyone show me, in their lifetime, any example of Christianity doing that? Using something like the Crusades is not a good example since no thanks ING was supported by Christian Doctrine and people didn't even have the teachings of Christ in their think tanks to begin with.
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You guys are exceptionally bad at caring for the important element. Theres gotta be a way we can bring in slavery too. You know...we cant complain about isis having child and women slaves because of the white man.
since christians have wronged others...the islamist extremists have a get out of jail free card. Glad to see this board had gone full liberal.
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Well it wasn't clarified nearly enough to be considered whole, but I think people who lean the same way I do politically would probably get it.Originally posted by YALE View PostFuck it. Let's do this.
It's not what you said, but it's the only thing you inferred. My guess is that your hyperbolic examples are just another troll post, unless you really are stupid enough to think that was a legitimate argument.
That's often the case with your kind, you just don't get it. You just don't understand why someone would be so skeptical of said groups or their ideals. That kind of thing just doesn't register with you. Its because you belong to that group, please don't pretend you don't. (those with faith in government) One need only read your frequent attempts to "clarify" government overreach to conclude this. If I'm wrong, then why do you appear so different than the larger conservative base of this board? Why is it that you're always nay saying comments that would appear to disparage what ol uncle sam is up to lately? Perhaps I would have to actually know you in person to understand, but this is just how you and a few others come off to me. In short, I just calls em as I sees em.Originally posted by YALE View PostThis isn't a position at all, merely a reflection of a specific comment (or a group of comments) I (or maybe someone else) made in the past, that I don't remember. Since you have failed to provide it, and failed to make it relevant, I'm not going to craft a rebuttal. Enjoy your navel-gazing. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
Our arguments, nor our differing positions are anything new. Those who put their faith in government and those who don't, or otherwise put their faith in something else, have been going at it for a very long time. And will continue to do so until government finally at long last becomes obsolete and is no longer needed. Oh glorious day.
This might help: I hate the government. I hate most of it stands for. (these days). I hate almost all of the politicians, and their wretched corruption. I hate their media lapdogs. I hate their apologists. I believe it is nothing more than a necessary evil. And given their attempts at every turn to further subdue us, its clear to most people that it is in fact, an evil.
I am of the opinion that most religion is stupid, just not all. And that many religions hold some people back, but not all.Originally posted by YALE View PostI am of the opinion that all religion is stupid, and holds us back. Islamics and those that would see precipitation fall on after dinner sweets are included in that.
Please clarify the underlined. I think i get the gist of it but I'm not sure if there is a typo in there.Last edited by Gasser64; 02-18-2015, 03:07 AM.
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Fuck it. Let's do this.
It's not what you said, but it's the only thing you inferred. My guess is that your hyperbolic examples are just another troll post, unless you really are stupid enough to think that was a legitimate argument.Originally posted by Gasser64To quote another post here "Not what I said broseph"
This isn't a position at all, merely a reflection of a specific comment (or a group of comments) I (or maybe someone else) made in the past, that I don't remember. Since you have failed to provide it, and failed to make it relevant, I'm not going to craft a rebuttal. Enjoy your navel-gazing. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.Originally posted by Gasser64Its hard not to notice a particular group's hypocrisy, is what I'm pointing out. Its just your opinion. Likely your philosophy. You like pointing out that what you dislike has had negative effects on the world. But so often fail to mention that what you hold in high esteem as been far, far worse.
I am of the opinion that all religion is stupid, and holds us back. Islamics and those that would see precipitation fall on after dinner sweets are included in that.Originally posted by Gasser64Not to mention you fixate on one particular religion, while seeming to want to ignore another far, FAR more violent one that is actually relevant in modern times and to the conversation. Its idiotic how much christianity is brought up when it comes to Islam. The people doing it really ought to bring up those native american rain dancers, who still to this dress up, hold a large dance around a fire, and pray to the spirits to bring rain to the dessert, as is their tradition. At least that way they'd be consistent.Last edited by YALE; 02-18-2015, 01:22 AM.
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To quote another post here "Not what I said broseph"Originally posted by YALE View PostSo if we criticize a religion for violence done in its name, we're atheistic statists, advocating for godless totalitarianism? And Stalin and Hitler killed people, so all government is bad? Excellent logic.
Its hard not to notice a particular group's hypocrisy, is what I'm pointing out. Its just your opinion. Likely your philosophy. You like pointing out that what you dislike has had negative effects on the world. But so often fail to mention that what you hold in high esteem as been far worse.
Not to mention you fixate on one particular religion, while seeming to want to ignore another far, FAR more violent one that is actually relevant in modern times and to the conversation. Its idiotic how much christianity is brought up when it comes to Islam. The people doing it really ought to bring up those native american rain dancers. Who still to this day dress up, dance around a fire, and pray to the spirits to bring rain to the dessert. As is their tradition. At least that way they'd be consistent.Last edited by Gasser64; 02-18-2015, 12:52 AM.
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So if we criticize a religion for violence done in its name, we're atheistic statists, advocating for godless totalitarianism? And Stalin and Hitler killed people, so all government is bad? Excellent logic.Originally posted by Gasser64 View PostIf I ever needed an excuse to burn a bunch of people, that one would be it!
Governments have killed more people than all religions combined, but you don't see all the statists around here complaining. If government had a d1ck they'd suck it.
Governments whos leaders were atheists, by the way. See Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler.
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If I ever needed an excuse to burn a bunch of people, that one would be it!Originally posted by SBFORDTECH View PostThey are unemployed and need jobs. According to the State Dept.
Governments have killed more people than all religions combined, but you don't see all the statists around here complaining. If government had a d1ck they'd suck it.Originally posted by DOHCTR View PostChristians have killed exponentially more people than Islam has ever been responsible for.
Governments whos leaders were atheists, by the way. See Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler.
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People who believe incontrovertible nonsense and allow their actions to be formed by that nonsense are the problem. I see the same traits in people who blindly follow X brand of news source "because they're correct."Originally posted by Ruffdaddy View PostIt doesnt matter if any other religion has been guilty in the past. What matter is the present and future. detracting from the present with data from the past does no good but to divert attention.
We need to fix what is wrong Now, and prevent it from getting widespread in the future. you cant do that without acknowledging the true problem.
I think the reason christianity's past is brought up is because Alex has encountered the same thing I gave in which almost every christian we've (anecdotal for sure) come across has been on some hypocritical moral high horse and completely ignored the past of their brand of myth.
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