ISIS chop off 21 heads

[SS Junk]

That was not you asking for clarification on what he said. That was you not understanding what he said, now you're trying to move the goalpost. I will indulge you though. Look into the acts in the name of christianity in Africa. More specifically, killing kids for being witches and homosexuality carrying a death penalty.

I am not moving anything. Once again, I read a claim regarding Christianity being evil in present tense. I have asked several times for further explanation as to how Christianity is evil in present tense. I state I am a Christian and ask how I am evil. All that is happening now is everyone but the source trying to tell me what I read is not what I read. It's comical.

As far as the things happening in Africa, I can't explain what is going on there. I have been a Christian all of my life and have never been told it is necessary to kill homosexuals or those proclaimed as witches. Lots of bad people in this world regardless of their belief system.

[Strychnine]

Or maybe he isn't worried about condemning shit that happened in another country? It's up to Iraq to condemn the actions that take place within their borders.

Not to pick on you specifically, but more that mindset. This is some cop-out shit. Even verbalizing a condemnation is too much and he shouldn't worry about it? As a human being - nationalism and all the other bullshit aside - do you honestly feel that these things...

• Beheading
• Burning
• Crucifixion
• Organ harvesting
• Stoning
• Throwing people from buildings
• Enslavement
• Sexual enslavement
• and then there's the blasé headshots en masse.

... can be brushed aside with "let them deal with it" ?


“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”

- John Stuart Mill



As for the Islam vs Christianity stuff, yeah bad things were done in the past in the name of "The Church." Bad things were done on both sides. That shit has no place in the modern world though, and that's the problem here. The world modernized and these cultures did not.

You can compare to present-day ISIS to Medieval Catholicism all you want, but living in the past does not change now.


This isn't some proxy war for oil or a 'let's use Afghanistan as a springboard to get into Iraq' scheme or anything else like the past. This is literally a quickly growing group bent on complete medieval domination. It is well documented and they are proud of it. There are no skewed intelligence reports to be refuted 10 years down the road and there are no seven-times-removed anecdotal stories about them maybe possibly having WMDs. They are filming their atrocities and postmarking the videos to us while beaming with pride.

Look at these numbers

the documented ISI incidents include 1,700 captives executed in Tikrit, Iraq, and 650 in Mosul, Iraq. Some 1,000 Turkmen massacred, including 100 children. More than 2,000 women and children kidnapped. “Systematic hunting of members of ethnic and religious groups.” Women raped and sold. Young boys executed. Girls enslaved for sexual abuse. Children recruited as suicide bombers. More than 1 million refugees, half of them kids

Or this one single massacre in July last year:

“Information from a survivor and analysis of videos and satellite imagery has confirmed the existence of three more mass execution sites,” says the report. That brings the death toll to “between 560 and 770 men.” The captives were shot dead while lying in trenches with their hands bound.

The list goes on.










“As warriors, as humanitarians, they've taught me that without courage, compassion falters, and that without compassion, courage has no direction. Yet the basic fact remains: we live in a world marked by violence, and if we want to protect others, we sometimes have to be willing to fight.”

― Eric Greitens

[racrguy]

So he didn't say the bold part? I am not saying anyone is wrong. Just wanted further explanation on this claim, and am getting the runaround.

You said:

Still no explanation for this? I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ. How am I evil?

That was not you asking for clarification on what he said. That was you not understanding what he said, now you're trying to move the goalpost. I will indulge you though. Look into the acts in the name of christianity in Africa. More specifically, killing kids for being witches and homosexuality carrying a death penalty.

[SS Junk]

He attempted to do the same thing to me. Apparently, someone not defending something they didn't say means that what they did say is wrong.

How so? It shows how evil Christianity can be and often is.

So he didn't say the bold part? I am not saying anyone is wrong. Just wanted further explanation on this claim, and am getting the runaround.

[Denny]

Hitler was a devout Roman Catholic, you mouthbreathing dipshit.

Might want to rethink that statement. He was raised Catholic, but didn't stay that way. IMO, he was following some bastardized Christian/Pagan belief system. But it wasn't Catholic.

There you guys go... confusing Catholicism and Christianity again.

[matts5.0]

Holy shit.

bro do you not remember the christian organ harvesting of the 1400s?

[Nash B.]

Soooo... rather than get this moved to the subforum with no traffic, let's talk about how ISIS appears to be harvesting organs for cash.



http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-might-be...lls-un-1819936

Holy shit.

[Baba Ganoush]

Latest IS propaganda video.

Lmfao!

[Strychnine]

Soooo... rather than get this moved to the subforum with no traffic, let's talk about how ISIS appears to be harvesting organs for cash.

ISIS Might Be Harvesting Organs To Finance Operations, Iraqi Envoy Tells UN


داعش” يسرق الأعضاء البشرية للرهائن ويبيعها لـ”تركيا” - http://t.co/cfhkjTpb8K pic.twitter.com/mFi976k3E5
— Times of Lebanon (@TimesOfLebanon) December 20, 2014

In a bid to finance its operations, the Islamic State group might be harvesting human organs, Iraq’s ambassador to the U.N. told the intergovernmental organization on Tuesday, and asked the Security Council to investigate the allegations.

In the past few weeks, authorities have discovered bodies with surgical incisions and missing kidneys or other organs in several shallow mass graves, leading many to believe that the extremist group might be harvesting these organs to fund its caliphate, Mohamed Alhakim, the Iraqi envoy to the U.N., reportedly said.

“We have bodies. Come and examine them,” The Associated Press (AP) quoted Alhakim as saying. “It is clear they are missing certain parts.”

The official also said that ISIS had executed several doctors in the northern Iraqi town of Mosul for refusing to harvest organs from its victims. Alhakim also accused ISIS of being guilty of “crimes of genocide” as it targets ethnic groups.

“These terrorist groups have desecrated all human values. They have committed the most heinous criminal terrorist acts against the Iraqi people whether Shi'ite, Sunni, Christians, Turkmen, Shabak or Yazidis,” Russia’s RT news agency quoted Alhakim as saying.

The U.N. envoy to Iraq, Nikolay Mladenov, also told the council that there are numerous reports to support the claim that ISIS is using organ harvesting as a way to finance its operations.

“It’s very clear that the tactics ISIS is using expand by the day… Almost daily terrorist attacks continue to deliberately target all Iraqis, most notably the Shi’ite community, as well as ethnic and religious minorities, across the country,” Mladenov told the council, adding that at least 790 people were killed in January during armed conflicts in Iraq.

In December, al-Monitor had reported that foreign doctors were harvesting organs for ISIS in Mosul. The report also claimed that there had been an “unusual movement” in medical facilities in Mosul, where “Arab and foreign surgeons were hired, but prohibited from mixing with local doctors.”

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-might-be-harvesting-organs-finance-operations-iraqi-envoy-tells-un-1819936

[Maddhattter]

when talking about current events, why do atheist try to shift the conversation to the past? when talking about Muslims(or any other religion) why do atheists shift the conversation towards Christianity and its fallacies? just an honest question, it always seems to be the standard operating procedure.

I generally only see anyone bring up christianity's past when people attempt to use the actions of a minority of adherents to claim that the entire religion is that way.

I've never seen anyone excuse their atrocities because of the similarities.

I don't think I do. Alex said christianity was evil, and SS Junk took it to mean that christians were evil

He attempted to do the same thing to me. Apparently, someone not defending something they didn't say means that what they did say is wrong.

[SS Junk]

This.

This what?

Here is the sentence again for quick reference:

How so? It shows how evil Christianity can be and often is.

My question is the "... and often is." What exactly are you trying to say? I have now been told I am reading only what I want to, but have yet to read any clear explanation as to what was meant. Care to divulge or would you rather bow out and have others try and explain?

[racrguy]

when talking about current events, why do atheist try to shift the conversation to the past? when talking about Muslims(or any other religion) why do atheists shift the conversation towards Christianity and its fallacies? just an honest question, it always seems to be the standard operating procedure.

*ahem*

I think the reason christianity's past is brought up is because Alex has encountered the same thing I gave in which almost every christian we've (anecdotal for sure) come across has been on some hypocritical moral high horse and completely ignored the past of their brand of myth.

[racrguy]

I think you have that exactly backwards.

I don't think I do. Alex said christianity was evil, and SS Junk took it to mean that christians were evil.

A majority of first world christians are peaceful, not because they are commanded to by their religion, but in spite of it. They pick and choose which parts of the bible to believe and which to throw out. I'm not completely against that because they tend to ignore the REALLY dumb shit like stoning unruly children and being unable to wear mixed fabrics. Personally, I think that the commandments of the Abrahamic god are an all or nothing proposition, judging by the way that they're presented in the bible.

[matts5.0]

when talking about current events, why do atheist try to shift the conversation to the past? when talking about Muslims(or any other religion) why do atheists shift the conversation towards Christianity and its fallacies? just an honest question, it always seems to be the standard operating procedure.

[Ruffdaddy]

They are both reading what they want...