Senate approves open carry on party-line vote

[Baron Von Crowder]

Any drawing from conceal involves another motion or two that does slow you down or worse, something gets in the way no matter how much you practice. FWIW, OC draw is faster than open shirt drawn (ex. jacket, vest, etc) which is faster than over garment draw (ex. T-shirt, Hoodie, sweat shirt).

And I've never seen anybody "freak out" while in Neveda with OC people there.


The penalties went away for that a couple of years ago.




Article said it'd go into affect January 2016 to give time to the DPS to "prepare".

I guess you arent going to jail, but it damn sure can make a scene, you still have to hang out and wait for the police, or (as witnessed in the viral walmart video) some wannabe hero can take you down and detain you for no reason.

That sure sounds like a penalty that this law will essentially eliminate.

[Chili]

If this does pass when will it go into effect? Immiediatly or in September when most laws change?

September.

Read motherfuckers!

Estes amended his bill to delay implementation until Jan. 1, 2016, saying the Department of Public safety asked for the four-month delay to help it prepare.

[racrguy]

Everything is negligible except the downsides to oc. Places are going to start fixing their signage after complaints - and if places can see guns they are going to get complaints--> being asked to leave/cover up guns which equals verbal notice aka you have to leave. This is going to have the same effect OC Texas had. Places are going to start banning guns and people are going to be dumbasses to managers and police and make a terrible name for us more than OC TX was able to do before. What did their OC movements do? Cause more places to shun and ban lawful armed citizens like us. Sure this isn't going to be the case all the time- but it wouldn't happen if you just pull a shirt over your gun and go about your day. Nobody is bothered, you don't have to deal with police encounters, or other bs. I don't have to hear on the news that some neckbeard causes a huge scene in public over OC and makes the public frown even more on the rights we have AND Suddenly now I can't legally carry AT ALL into XYZ place or restaurant because some dumbass couldn't keep his shit or his mouth to himself.

Nobody can give a valid reason to the benefit of OC over CC. The Deterrence factor goes two ways and is crap anyway. Two guys in philly robbed a gamestop with a damn uniformed cop inside, just stuck around to kill him, and left. If somebody robs the store i'm in, I'd like the element of surprise not being the first guy shot.

Why are the reasons given not valid? You can't just claim a justification for something as invalid without proper reasoning. Most thefts and robberies are crimes of opportunity. If you raise the opportunity cost too high for those people, which seeing another person armed could do, you will avert an incident before it even gets off the ground. Nobody is telling you that you HAVE to OC, they're merely giving you the option. If you don't want to, where do you get off telling other people that they can't?

[GhostTX]

there is no reason for it. Any gun can be carried concealed. Faster draw is negligible at best. All oc does is bring out the oc Texas assholes, make businesses start to enforce 30.06 and give notice (BC now they can see guns) which limits carry, and freaks people out causing police interaction and situations completely unnecessary.

Any drawing from conceal involves another motion or two that does slow you down or worse, something gets in the way no matter how much you practice. FWIW, OC draw is faster than open shirt drawn (ex. jacket, vest, etc) which is faster than over garment draw (ex. T-shirt, Hoodie, sweat shirt).

And I've never seen anybody "freak out" while in Neveda with OC people there.

I wanna see oc pass strictly to take the worry of printing or a shirt riding up away. Most people with cc will continue that way.

The penalties went away for that a couple of years ago.

If this does pass when will it go into effect? Immiediatly or in September when most laws change?

September.

Article said it'd go into affect January 2016 to give time to the DPS to "prepare".

[Baron Von Crowder]

Everything is negligible except the downsides to oc. Places are going to start fixing their signage after complaints - and if places can see guns they are going to get complaints--> being asked to leave/cover up guns which equals verbal notice aka you have to leave. This is going to have the same effect OC Texas had. Places are going to start banning guns and people are going to be dumbasses to managers and police and make a terrible name for us more than OC TX was able to do before. What did their OC movements do? Cause more places to shun and ban lawful armed citizens like us. Sure this isn't going to be the case all the time- but it wouldn't happen if you just pull a shirt over your gun and go about your day. Nobody is bothered, you don't have to deal with police encounters, or other bs. I don't have to hear on the news that some neckbeard causes a huge scene in public over OC and makes the public frown even more on the rights we have AND Suddenly now I can't legally carry AT ALL into XYZ place or restaurant because some dumbass couldn't keep his shit or his mouth to himself.

Nobody can give a valid reason to the benefit of OC over CC. The Deterrence factor goes two ways and is crap anyway. Two guys in philly robbed a gamestop with a damn uniformed cop inside, just stuck around to kill him, and left. If somebody robs the store i'm in, I'd like the element of surprise not being the first guy shot.

“I believe in freedom,” Estes said. “The question we should ask is not why can they (openly carry handguns), but why are they forbidden from doing this?”

id like your opinion on this statement.

[YALE]

If this does pass when will it go into effect? Immiediatly or in September when most laws change?

September.

[whitetrash]

If this does pass when will it go into effect? Immiediatly or in September when most laws change?

[whitetrash]

I wanna see oc pass strictly to take the worry of printing or a shirt riding up away. Most people with cc will continue that way.

[Sgt Beavis]

Hell yale what are you trying to carry, a Python?

Only when he's happy to see you..

[Gasser64]

All oc does is bring out the oc Texas assholes,

They're assholes just because they want to open carry, and would do it? Should cops be forced to conceal? Cause I gotta be honest, cops make me a lot more nervous than any OC'er any day. And for good reason.

[Rick Modena]

Go to california you fucking hippie.

lol.

[Moose242]

The guns I would carry OWB are painfully obvious under a shirt. I'd rather just carry what I want how I want.

This.

I'm 6'4" 180 pounds, so for me carrying something like a Glock 19 is like masturbating in a public park: what you are doing is illegal and a spectacle, but for some reason nobody seems to notice.

Also my hunting revolver is a smith 28-2 that I carry on my hip. I have noticed myself leaving the lease and fueling up with it on before and have sat through an entire meal at a diner with it (surrounded by other hunters during season). That should be legal.

[YALE]

Hell yale what are you trying to carry, a Python?

A 4" N-Frame, one of my single actions, or my P226.

[Cobraman]

but i want to walk around with a shoulder rig with two gold plated 1911s...

Eggzachary


Yale and his wheelguns dude

[dsrtuckteezy]

Everything is negligible except the downsides to oc. Places are going to start fixing their signage after complaints - and if places can see guns they are going to get complaints--> being asked to leave/cover up guns which equals verbal notice aka you have to leave. This is going to have the same effect OC Texas had. Places are going to start banning guns and people are going to be dumbasses to managers and police and make a terrible name for us more than OC TX was able to do before. What did their OC movements do? Cause more places to shun and ban lawful armed citizens like us. Sure this isn't going to be the case all the time- but it wouldn't happen if you just pull a shirt over your gun and go about your day. Nobody is bothered, you don't have to deal with police encounters, or other bs. I don't have to hear on the news that some neckbeard causes a huge scene in public over OC and makes the public frown even more on the rights we have AND Suddenly now I can't legally carry AT ALL into XYZ place or restaurant because some dumbass couldn't keep his shit or his mouth to himself.

Nobody can give a valid reason to the benefit of OC over CC. The Deterrence factor goes two ways and is crap anyway. Two guys in philly robbed a gamestop with a damn uniformed cop inside, just stuck around to kill him, and left. If somebody robs the store i'm in, I'd like the element of surprise not being the first guy shot.

but i want to walk around with a shoulder rig with two gold plated 1911s...