Thumbs up to familygunfun for UTAH Non-Resident CHL

[tazz007]

Do you have any idea what an affirmative defense to prosecution is?

Do you have any Idea what the second amendment states?

I don't give a crap about any lower courts, or laws that subvert the constitution.

[rekab]

I took this class and have been carrying with my Utah license for about a year now. I've talked to police officers and such about it. Not a single one thought anything of it other than I was most likely armed. Anyone hating on this license is just mad that they overpaid and had to prove they could shoot a piece of paper repeatedly. The texas or any other license for that matter does not guarantee the person carrying the weapon is safe, sane, or able to shoot when the situation arrises. Does it make me any less responsible that I didn't take a class that was overpriced and takes longer? No. This is just like a drivers license. Just because you passed the test doesn't mean everyone with one can actually do it right.
And to the OP: You're right this class is informative, fun, and fast. I recommend it to everyone I know.

[jakesford]

Do you have any idea what an affirmative defense to prosecution is?

I don't have time to dissect the statute that Mustangman2000 has posted, but I do see a clause that raises a red flag:


if the Texas Attorney General determines

which tells me that you might be prosecuted for anything resulting from the use/possession of a handgun, and the AG may or not become involved in the case.


This alone is reason for me to steer clear of the Utah shortcut.

I don't see anything in the wording that really worries me?

I may actually do this class, for the reason that it adds several additional states of reciprocity over the Texas CHL. Namely Washington, since I may end up taking a trip up that direction in a few months

[03trubluGT]

I hate to tell you this, but the system has been compromised . 2A covers it quite well. And since it is the supreme law of the land, all the laws you are referring to as being defeated, well they should be!

Do you have any idea what an affirmative defense to prosecution is?

I don't have time to dissect the statute that Mustangman2000 has posted, but I do see a clause that raises a red flag:


if the Texas Attorney General determines

which tells me that you might be prosecuted for anything resulting from the use/possession of a handgun, and the AG may or not become involved in the case.


This alone is reason for me to steer clear of the Utah shortcut.

[tazz007]

I just don't think this is the way to defeat the system that has been put in place.

I hate to tell you this, but the system has been compromised . 2A covers it quite well. And since it is the supreme law of the land, all the laws you are referring to as being defeated, well they should be!

[David]

I don't get the big deal to save that little amount of time and a few measley dollars when a TX CHL is something all of us seem to be able to obtain...

If there were better carrying provision somewhere else or some other bullshit I could possibly understand.

[KBScobravert]

I talked my wife into taking the course with me in January. As soon as he posts the dates I am gonna sign up.

[FullSizeMike]

time was the factor for me. as far as the shooting portion goes, just because you do something one time doesn't mean you are proficient. i believe you do need practice. even us that have shot our whole lives. ex....a coworker walked me thru a 5 step process in quickbooks six months ago. I couldn't repeat that process in a fast and decisive way if my life depended on it. His class does teach gun safety and you will handle a gun. to me, safety is more important than anything. I was impressed with his situational opinions. That class changed the way I thought about protecting myself and my family.

[KBScobravert]

4hrs vs 8hrs and range time sounds the best to me.

[8mpg]

Yep, $100 for class. And $65.25 to process paperwork. i.e. FBI background check, Finger printing, DL copy, Passport photo, and course completion signed by instructor. And you get your license pretty quick. 2 months or less.

cheaper...sounds like a good deal

[LS1Goat]

I would think that if you ever have to use it then the responding officers might raise a red flag if you have an out of state CHL and a TX dl. That's my main reason for not doing this already.

WRONG!


The State of Texas
and
The State of Utah
concerning Concealed Handgun Permit Reciprocity
WHEREAS, the State of Texas has the authority to issue a Concealed Handgun
License pursuant to V.T.C.A. Government Code § 411, Subchapter H; and
WHEREAS, the State of Utah has the authority to issue a Concealed Firearm Permit
pursuant to U.C.A. 1953 § 53, Chapter 5, Part 7; and
WHEREAS, the State of Texas is authorized to recognize the validity of a nonresident
concealed handgun license if the Texas Attorney General determines that a
background check of each applicant for a license issued by the other state is conducted
by state or local authorities, or agent thereof, before the license is issued to determine
the applicants' eligibility to possess a firearm under the Federal Gun Control Act (18
U.S.C. § 922); and
WHEREAS, the Texas Attorney General has made such affirmative determination with
respect to the State of Utah; and
WHEREAS, the State of Texas is therefore authorized to recognize the validity of Utah
Concealed Firearm Permits pursuant to V.T.C.A. Governrnent Code § 411.173 (b); and
WHEREAS, the State of Utah is authorized to recognize the validity of a nonresident
concealed handgun license pursuant to U.C.A. 1953 § 76-10-523 (2) (b); and
WHEREAS, Concealed Handgun License reciprocity between Texas and Utah is thus
supported by the laws of both states;
NOW, THEREFORE, the parties do hereby agree as follows:
1. The State of Texas shall give full faith and credit to valid Concealed Firearm
Permits issued by the State of Utah, except as limited below; and
2. The State of Utah shall give full faith and credit to valid Concealed Handgun
Licenses issued by the State of Texas.
3. Persons carrying a concealed weapon in the reciprocal :state shall comply
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with all laws, rules and regulations governing the use and carrying of a
concealed weapon in that reciprocal state.
4. The state of Texas and the State of Utah will inform each other of any
changes to their respective concealed carry weapons statutes that may affect the
eligibility of the recognition granted by each state.
This Memorandum of Agreement applies only to the carrying of handguns by valid
license holders from the respective states and not to any other types of weapons. For
purposes of this Agreement, the term "handgun" shall bE! defined by the laws, rules
and regulations of the host state.
This Memorandum of Agreement becomes effective on the date of the final signature
and shall continue in effect unless modified by mutual written consent, or terminated
by either state upon thirty (30) days' written notice. This document is not intended to
limit or restrict the statutory authority or jurisdiction of either state.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/crime_records/chl/utahagreement.pdf

[SLVR04GT]

Just sayin...

If,

I can and have shot my whole life, so not shooting wasn't a big deal.

As for people not having proficiency, I've been shooting/hunting handling firearms since I was 12. Same goes for the others in my class based on our discussion.

Than this does not apply to you.

I'm really not liking this way around the Texas CHL.

No range time? The thought of having people out there with a license that did not have to demonstrate ANY kind of proficiency scares me.

And I agree, it is dangerous for EVERYONE to let someone with NO range/firearm familiarization time carry. This includes the individual carrying the firearm. Can't think of much anything worse than having your own firearm used against you because you don't know how to operate it properly.

[Grimpala]

I would think that if you ever have to use it then the responding officers might raise a red flag if you have an out of state CHL and a TX dl. That's my main reason for not doing this already.

[Brandon-k]

I'll just get my Texas CHL and not worry about it.

[David]

Time and money is the benefit.

Lame