Thumbs up to familygunfun for UTAH Non-Resident CHL

[LS1Goat]

I've been wanting to take his class for awhile but i've been arrested for minor traffic warrants will i still qualify for the utah chl?

*Minimum requirements for application for a concealed firearms permit in Utah are:

* Applicant must be at least 21 years of age

* Proof of good character...whereas the applicant;

o has not been convicted of a felony;

o has not been convicted of any crime of violence;

o has not been convicted of any offense involving the use of alcohol;

o has not been convicted of any offenses involving the unlawful use of narcotics or other controlled substances;

o has not been convicted of any offenses involving moral turpitude;

o has not been convicted of any offense involving domestic violence;

o has not been adjudicated by a court of a state or of the United States as mentally incompetent, unless the adjudication has been withdrawn or reversed

*A criminal background check is conducted for all applicants.

[LS1Goat]

Sounds interesting plus it's just 10-15 mins up the road from me. How many were in your class?

About 20

[j351w]

I've been wanting to take his class for awhile but i've been arrested for minor traffic warrants will i still qualify for the utah chl?

[bjtheman1]

Sounds interesting plus it's just 10-15 mins up the road from me. How many were in your class?

[GAP]

I'm all for a carrying society, but you need to show the ability to shoot. A class that doesn't offer that is like a theory class.. nothing really comes of it but talk. I'll be getting my TxCHL when the time comes. It's not worth the possible legal troubles or even bad circumstance arising from an out of state chl and in-state ID.

Showing that you can shoot paper doesn't mean squat IMO. Does a driving test keep incompetent drivers off the road? They could take the shooting portion out of the TXCHL all together, and I dont think you would see any increase in incidence of bystanders being shot accidentally. That goes back to knowing when to draw your weapon, and what is beyond your target.

[lowthreeohz]

I'm all for a carrying society, but you need to show the ability to shoot. A class that doesn't offer that is like a theory class.. nothing really comes of it but talk. I'll be getting my TxCHL when the time comes. It's not worth the possible legal troubles or even bad circumstance arising from an out of state chl and in-state ID.

[LS1Goat]

And the current political climate is encroaching on eliminating the non resident CHL's all together.

I've corresponded with Tan Parker, the R-Rep. for my district regarding this issue. The current bill on the docket to repeal reciprocity has very little support, except in the more liberal urban districts like Houston/Dallas. The Senator and Congressman for my district, ...all replied back with a nice letter that says they would vote in opposition to any bill to change current reciprocity laws signed into law by Gov. Perry and the Attorney General.

Worst case scenario, all that would happen is they would halt renewals for existing non-resident CHLs and bar new applicants. My non-resident CHL would still be valid until it's 5 year expiration date, but without the option to renew.

[LS1Goat]

IF you are a TEXAS RESIDENT, get a Texas CHL.

Many states now do NOT RECOGNIZE NON RESIDENT CHLs. That means if you go to lets say "New Mexico", it will recognize your Texas CHL with your Texas DL. But they WILL NOT Recognize your Out of State CHL with your Texas Resident DL. (You then get arrested and taken to jail for unlawful carry).

Now note, I do not know if New Mexico has a law against non-resident license, I used it as a example, but I DO KNOW some states do this.

I guess I don't really get your point. All of this is covered in class as to what states we currently have reciprocity agreements with. There are just a few exceptions out of the 30+ states where the state will not recognize your non-resident Utah CHL, if you don't actually reside in Utah. And it is made quite clear in class which states we can and cannot conceal carry in. Therefore, you wouldn't go to New Mexico and conceal carry with a non-resident CHL. I took the class a while back and all of this was covered in class. Only an idiot would disregard the carry laws of each state as that is your responsibility to know the laws pertaining to each state, which again, is/was covered in class.

[CJ]

IF you are a TEXAS RESIDENT, get a Texas CHL.

Many states now do NOT RECOGNIZE NON RESIDENT CHLs. That means if you go to lets say "New Mexico", it will recognize your Texas CHL with your Texas DL. But they WILL NOT Recognize your Out of State CHL with your Texas Resident DL. (You then get arrested and taken to jail for unlawful carry).

Now note, I do not know if New Mexico has a law against non-resident license, I used it as a example, but I DO KNOW some states do this.

And the current political climate is encroaching on eliminating the non resident CHL's all together.

[Dacotua]

IF you are a TEXAS RESIDENT, get a Texas CHL.

Many states now do NOT RECOGNIZE NON RESIDENT CHLs. That means if you go to lets say "New Mexico", it will recognize your Texas CHL with your Texas DL. But they WILL NOT Recognize your Out of State CHL with your Texas Resident DL. (You then get arrested and taken to jail for unlawful carry).

Now note, I do not know if New Mexico has a law against non-resident license, I used it as a example, but I DO KNOW some states do this.

[KBScobravert]

You're instructor obviously has a very limited teaching style and curriculum. We covered all the statutes for Texas and Utah under our reciprocity agreements. We had a full Q&A session on situation awareness. 30.6/51% laws. Being pulled over by PD. Federal facilities and schools. Places of worship. Castle Doctrine. Discussion on no obligation to retreat. And how much caution and restraint you should exercise regarding Third Party Intervention.

You apparently, got the CHL for dummies fast track class. I think he just tries to make it as fast an convenient for you guys as possible. However, it sounds like you didn't learn a damn thing. I came out of my Utah CHL class with several pages of notes (trying to keep up with stuff discussed outside of the scope of the curriculum) and reference materials on all the statues for Texas/Utah. And I learned about 5x more than I was expecting considering the shorter length of actual class time vs. Texas CHL.

Was fast track for sure and death by power point. I didn't expect him to cover any Texas law since we are in Afg and he is from Washington state.

He was a great instructor and very good but the information was limited. We covered shit like weaver stances and SA vs DA stuff.....not what I expected. I was suprised though by the amount of soldiers and airmen in attendence that had never shot the M9 pistol. lol One dumbass even said "so like in the movies when they are still moving and going for a gun can you still stand above them and shoot them in the face?" Spc Thug Life, no you can not.

Remember I also took the Texas CHL and I would even sit through either again when I come home for my wife when she gets her's.

[LS1Goat]

Just to bring this to the top....

I took the Utah CHL yesterday here on base in Afghanistan. 3hrs and mostly coverered gun safety, nomenclature and cleaning. Not a whole lot of time was spent on actual concealed carry and maybe 15 minutes on use of deadly force. But hey I got my stamp and signature so I can send my paperwork off in a few days.

Your instructor obviously has a very limited teaching style and curriculum. We covered all the statutes for Texas and Utah under our reciprocity agreements. We had a full Q&A session on situation awareness. 30.6/51% laws. Being pulled over by PD. Federal facilities and schools. Places of worship. Castle Doctrine. Discussion on no obligation to retreat. And how much caution and restraint you should exercise regarding Third Party Intervention.

You apparently, got the CHL for dummies fast track class. I think he just tries to make it as fast an convenient for you guys as possible. However, it sounds like you didn't learn a damn thing. I came out of my Utah CHL class with several pages of notes (trying to keep up with stuff discussed outside of the scope of the curriculum) and reference materials on all the statues for Texas/Utah. And I learned about 5x more than I was expecting considering the shorter length of actual class time vs. Texas CHL.

[KBScobravert]

Just to bring this to the top....

I took the Utah CHL yesterday here on base in Afghanistan. 3hrs and mostly coverered gun safety, nomenclature and cleaning. Not a whole lot of time was spent on actual concealed carry and maybe 15 minutes on use of deadly force. But hey I got my stamp and signature so I can send my paperwork off in a few days.

[03trubluGT]

You have to remember that 1500 here is 0530 there in Texas. I will be asleep when the game starts there in Jerryworld.

The Utah instructor here has the class whittled down to 3 hours but we have to get our own FD-258 finger print cards and photo pics.

I don't know why I was thinking you were gonna be home for the class...

[KBScobravert]

You are doing the Utah licenes on Superbowl Sunday?

You have to remember that 1500 here is 0530 there in Texas. I will be asleep when the game starts there in Jerryworld.

The Utah instructor here has the class whittled down to 3 hours but we have to get our own FD-258 finger print cards and photo pics.