How many think that the troops are really fighting for our freedom?

[Sgt Beavis]

This board went full retard.

yes, in multiple directions..

[Gasser64]

In all seriousness, IMO WW2 was a turning point for our country. Good or bad, it changed forever.

Changed for the worse. Much of what we have done ever since has been because of ww2

Would sadaam have really become the next hitler? After taking saudi, would he for 100% certain raised oil prices?

[Forever_frost]

Troops do not have the luxury of choosing who or why they fight. They swear an oath to obey the orders of the President of the United States. I'll be cold and dead in the ground before I swear an oath to that fuckhead.

That said, I respect and appreciate the contribution of our military and its members to our global influence. Other nations call us ignorant, backwards, and discoureous, but they never call us weak.

No, we swear an oath to the Constitution and swear to obey the lawful orders of those above us. Any order that violates that is to be refused. That's basic training level stuff but I don't expect you to understand that.

[Forever_frost]

Go read a book. I've got a trailer to tow through the city.

Which one would you suggest? I mean, I haven't made it my life's study to look at national security and actually did the grunt work in Iraq.

[YALE]

According to regulations and the ucmj and in the ucmj it states that you not follow an unconstitutional order.

That's what officers are for.

[exlude]

Scott seems to be taking the "argue everything to avoid arguing anything" approach.

[jnobles06]

92. i think it says "lawful," and there are lots of laws that are unconstitutional.

[matts5.0]

I think its 90 or 92 or both, im to lazy to look it up.

[matts5.0]

According to regulations and the ucmj and in the ucmj it states that you not follow an unconstitutional order.

[jnobles06]

Not really, Constitution above all else. We follow constitutional orders.

What do you mean not really? You agree support amd defend the constitution,....... AND OBEY THE ORDERS OF THE PRESIDENT.

it doesn't say "or" it says "and"

I'm not saying I wouldn't pick the constitution of over the president, but in the oath you swear to follow both, not pick one, by picking while you are enlisted, you technically break the oath.

[matts5.0]

they swear to obey the presidents orders.

Not really, Constitution above all else. We follow constitutional orders.

[jnobles06]

They damn sure dont swear an oath to the president.

they swear to obey the presidents orders.

[matts5.0]

Troops do not have the luxury of choosing who or why they fight. They swear an oath to obey the orders of the President of the United States. I'll be cold and dead in the ground before I swear an oath to that fuckhead.

That said, I respect and appreciate the contribution of our military and its members to our global influence. Other nations call us ignorant, backwards, and discoureous, but they never call us weak.

They damn sure dont swear an oath to the president.

[Moose242]

Troops do not have the luxury of choosing who or why they fight. They swear an oath to obey the orders of the President of the United States. I'll be cold and dead in the ground before I swear an oath to that fuckhead.

That said, I respect and appreciate the contribution of our military and its members to our global influence. Other nations call us ignorant, backwards, and discoureous, but they never call us weak.

[YALE]

Go read a book. I've got a trailer to tow through the city.

Ha!