Ford to discontinue v8 motors in mustang, f-150 after 2017

[STANGGT40]

If fuel mileage is the main concern, they should just move to diesels. My screw 4x4 f250 gets better mileage than my wife's screw f150 4x4 with the ecoboost 6cyl.

[FATHERFORD]

[Baron Von Crowder]

I was told that the total of all the passenger cars sold would have to meet X number for the CAFE standards. So they have to sell a shit ton of small, ultra efficient cars to offset the gas guzzlers

[Sean88gt]

How would they delineate that? Most trucks sold to businesses are still used for personal use. It isn't the dealer/manufacturer's responsibility to track the vehicles after the sale.

Regardless, it's fucking ridiculous, and the manufacturers should have started increasing fuel economy earlier. They have themselves to blame.

[Joe Wiecked]

I can't find it, but I'm pretty sure they pulled in 3/4 and 1 tons because of the amount on the road.

They did. I remember it. It applies to vehicles sold as passenger cars. They stated that the majority of them on the road are registered as personal vehicles and not as business/utility like they used to be. Because of that, they defined the Super/Heavy Duty as a passenger car as well. Yet, every one sold as a business/farm/gov. are not counted in the the CAFE score. If they are not sold as passenger cars, then it does not apply. It would basically be Ford/Gov. saying that unless you have the ability to buy as a business/Farm/Gov. agency, then you cannot buy this vehicle. This would mean in cars such as the Police, Fire, Business (utilities, mechanic, tow truck, Hot Shot drivers, etc...), and Farm (Farmers, Vet, Loggers, etc...) could still have the V8s as they have a justifiable reason under the law and are exempt from the standard. But as I said, it would be only these on the road and the number would begin to decline on the road. I just went through all this crap getting my passenger car registered F250 re classified as a Farm Truck.

[Sean88gt]

That depends on how they are sold. CAFE standards only apply to vehicles sold as Passenger Cars. The trucks sold as "work trucks" are exempt as they say they can justify the exemption. This would likely mean that the Lariat and other luxury packages would not be available or extremely limited in these trucks. Looking at XL/XLT only if there are different packages. I could see them going back to the old basic truck designs where the only creature comforts are an option radio and AC/Heater.

I could also see CAFE including limitations on who can purchase these vehicles that are exempt. Right now anyone can purchase a 1 ton with no bed or a flat bed. I could see Congress restricting that to a business purchase since it is exempt. Only fleet trucks and Farms would have them. Basically when you purchase, if you have the proper paperwork, you can get commercial plates or Farm Plates, like I have on the F250.

I can't find it, but I'm pretty sure they pulled in 3/4 and 1 tons because of the amount on the road.

[Joe Wiecked]

Good to know on the ecoboost. I have driven one, but just on a test drive and not towing. I almost bought it, but for the price of it used, I was in a new 5.0. It had a lot miles as well.

[Joe Wiecked]

I believe that CAFE standards are extending to 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.

That depends on how they are sold. CAFE standards only apply to vehicles sold as Passenger Cars. The trucks sold as "work trucks" are exempt as they say they can justify the exemption. This would likely mean that the Lariat and other luxury packages would not be available or extremely limited in these trucks. Looking at XL/XLT only if there are different packages. I could see them going back to the old basic truck designs where the only creature comforts are an option radio and AC/Heater.

I could also see CAFE including limitations on who can purchase these vehicles that are exempt. Right now anyone can purchase a 1 ton with no bed or a flat bed. I could see Congress restricting that to a business purchase since it is exempt. Only fleet trucks and Farms would have them. Basically when you purchase, if you have the proper paperwork, you can get commercial plates or Farm Plates, like I have on the F250.

[lowthreeohz]

Mine pulls a 22' enclosed Haulmark and an 18' open car trailer regularly (did ~500 miles with a 55' Chevy just last weekend, through some pretty shitty weather). I have zero complaints with either one. Matter of fact, I would go as far as to say that I think it actually tows better than some of the older 3/4 ton trucks I've had in the past.

I'll echo that sentiment. Drove my fully loaded 8.5x16 enclosed 3500mi one way without any sort of a hiccup. It especially shined up in the mountains where NA vehicles suffer

[Sean88gt]

I foresee the V8 in trucks being limited to the Super Duty in the future anyway. The Super Duty still drives and rides like an old truck, so they can classify it as a "Work Truck/Utility Truck" and be exempt from the CAFE standards for passenger cars. It is not intended to be a passenger car. As it stands now, compare the same package level F150 and F250 and there is a world of difference in creature comforts and ride.

I believe that CAFE standards are extending to 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.

[Rreemo]

Have the eco boost truck had any problem hauling trailers.

Mine pulls a 22' enclosed Haulmark and an 18' open car trailer regularly (did ~500 miles with a 55' Chevy just last weekend, through some pretty shitty weather). I have zero complaints with either one. Matter of fact, I would go as far as to say that I think it actually tows better than some of the older 3/4 ton trucks I've had in the past.

[A_A_G]

In a Mustang and F150 I could see this happening. I mean the new Ford GT is now a v6....but I dont see the Superduty losing the v8.

[Joe Wiecked]

I foresee the V8 in trucks being limited to the Super Duty in the future anyway. The Super Duty still drives and rides like an old truck, so they can classify it as a "Work Truck/Utility Truck" and be exempt from the CAFE standards for passenger cars. It is not intended to be a passenger car. As it stands now, compare the same package level F150 and F250 and there is a world of difference in creature comforts and ride.

[BLAKE]

Not gonna happen. I can believe they'll limit v8s to low volume/high performance cars/trucks, but they're not going to phase them out entirely.

That said, if I were going to go with this plan, I'd introduce an ultra high performance halo car to get people used to the idea. Oh wait...

[racrguy]

Yeah, this won't happen.

I agree with this.