CHL Discussion thread

[elPolloLoco]

Once the adrenaline kicks in everything goes pretty much out the window. You can be an amazing shot at the range with your deer rifle but as soon as that big buck walks out it all can go south. Does anyone remember the shoot out about 10-15 years ago in Colorado where there was something like 107 rounds fired at a guy by multiple officers at short range while the guy proceded to get in his truck and drive away without a scratch? Do I think range time is useless....absolutely not...muscle memory does help to an extent when things start to go wrong. And yes pistols are terribly weak firearms that even with personal defense rounds don't do much damage unless they hit major organs of vessels. A bow with a sharp broadhead will do more damage then a pistol will in most cases.

[whitetrash]

yep, tons of people who have been in actual real world gun fights, not just range fun, who forget to click the safety and it causes a delay, is theoretical nonsense. Don't want to shoot yourself in the leg, keep your finger off the trigger, problem solved.


sidearm.. ccw... sidearm.. ccw..



Not sure what "glock fanboyism" has to do with any of this as I carry a nano(used to be a p239)... How the fuck does some glock nonsense get dragged into all these threads on this forum?!!


But let's not get derailed, I said that I don't like 1911's as ccw due to multiple safeties and there huge size, not just the one side safety.

On some guns I can see the safety argument but with a 1911 your thumb bassically rests on the safety. And the other is you holding the gun right. Not exactly hard to do.

And you realize they come in more than 1 size right?? No wider than a standard sig, glock, xd, ect

[Probie]

So the size of the gun determines your ability to take a safety off? The fact is we send thousands of people into combat daily with pistols equipped with safeties.

I am neither here nor there in this argument. I understand and agree with aspects on both sides of this one

[CJ]

"Tex" grebner managed to shoot himself with his 1911

That's because he was drawing with the safety off. He is also a slack jawed drooling yokel.

[CJ]

sidearm.. ccw... sidearm.. ccw..

So the size of the gun determines your ability to take a safety off? The fact is we send thousands of people into combat daily with pistols equipped with safeties.

[Probie]

"Tex" grebner managed to shoot himself with his 1911

[CJ]

yep, tons of people who have been in actual real world gun fights, not just range fun, who forget to click the safety and it causes a delay, is theoretical nonsense. Don't want to shoot yourself in the leg, keep your finger off the trigger, problem solved. Not sure what "glock fanboyism" has to do with any of this as I carry a nano(used to be a p239)... How the fuck does some glock nonsense get dragged into all these threads on this forum?!!

So you feel it's perfectly reasonable to expect someone to not accidentally pull a trigger, but completely unreasonable to expect someone to take a safety off? Nonsense. Don't want to fail to shoot someone, use your finger to take the safety off, problem solved. Glock fanboyism means a commonly held believe or commonly repeated mindset found frequently with glock fans.

[phaux]

blah blah blah, completely theoretical nonsense. You are 100x more likely to shoot yourself via a negligent discharge because your weapon doesn't have a safety than you are forgetting to take it off in a shooting situation. When I grab a gun to shoot, I take the safety off. All my guns have safeties in the same location. Safety then trigger, it's just as second nature as pulling a trigger.

yep, tons of people who have been in actual real world gun fights, not just range fun, who forget to click the safety and it causes a delay, is theoretical nonsense. Don't want to shoot yourself in the leg, keep your finger off the trigger, problem solved.

For the last 75 years every soldier has had a sidearm with a safety.

sidearm.. ccw... sidearm.. ccw..

You're repeating glock fanboyisms.

Not sure what "glock fanboyism" has to do with any of this as I carry a nano(used to be a p239)... How the fuck does some glock nonsense get dragged into all these threads on this forum?!!


But let's not get derailed, I said that I don't like 1911's as ccw due to multiple safeties and there huge size, not just the one side safety.

[CJ]

Working a safety at a range is one thing, working one while being shot at is another. Look up all the stories of ppl who have been in gunfights or talk to soldiers who have and you'll be amazed at how many do that first trigger squeeze and get nothing because they left the safety on. It's another thing to have to think about and takes up more time I'd rather not have to deal with when it's a life and death scenario. KISS

blah blah blah, completely theoretical nonsense. You are 100x more likely to shoot yourself via a negligent discharge because your weapon doesn't have a safety than you are forgetting to take it off in a shooting situation. When I grab a gun to shoot, I take the safety off. All my guns have safeties in the same location. Safety then trigger, it's just as second nature as pulling a trigger. For the last 75 years every soldier has had a sidearm with a safety. You're repeating glock fanboyisms.

[Probie]

Alex, did you watch the videos? I didn't post a "how to clear a 20 story building by yourself".

With the exception of maybe the video on what to do in a car they were pretty straight forward. Video one was pay a SA video. The other one was a little on using cover and shooting from it (hide behind something, shoot in general direction) and if you aren't by cover, get to it. (The shooting while moving video)

[phaux]

They are also one of the thinnest guns, which is why they are so popular for carry. I don't carry a 1911, I carry a Sig 938. And if you can't work a safety you shouldn't be using a gun, imho.

Working a safety at a range is one thing, working one while being shot at is another. Look up all the stories of ppl who have been in gunfights or talk to soldiers who have and you'll be amazed at how many do that first trigger squeeze and get nothing because they left the safety on. It's another thing to have to think about and takes up more time I'd rather not have to deal with when it's a life and death scenario. KISS

[CJ]

I don't care for safety's in the least and a backstrap safety is just asinine. Oh, and they're big as shit.

They are also one of the thinnest guns, which is why they are so popular for carry. I don't carry a 1911, I carry a Sig 938. And if you can't work a safety you shouldn't be using a gun, imho.

[ELVIS]

What's the reason?

glocks dude.

god bless.

[phaux]

What's the reason?

He either saw the gun or heard the safety click as I had turned into him enough for him to be at my 3 O'clock and shoved his revolver inside my open jacket against my stomach and fired the first round

I had the little problem with the next round not going off (Looking back on it, I think I realized that I wasn't getting a good grip due to the screwed up hand and neglected to engage the grip safety)

I don't care for safety's in the least and a backstrap safety is just asinine. Oh, and they're big as shit.

[CJ]

Here we go, here's the actual article, a few of my facts are off. It's a pretty good read and yet another reason I don't like 1911's as concealed guns(prepare for the "1911 is the god of all pistols" lashback)

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/988015_.html&page=1

What's the reason?