Lucky us! 4th amendment just got weaker.

[sc281]

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. And every DA in the country just rewrote policy overnight to reflect this omnipotent ruling.

You have no clue on due process.

First post

The justices in an 8-1 decision said officers who loudly knock on a door and then hear sounds suggesting evidence is being destroyed may break down the door and enter without a search warrant.

Residents who "attempt to destroy evidence have only themselves to blame" when police burst in, said Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.

In a lone dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said she feared the ruling in a Kentucky case will give police an easy way to ignore the 4th Amendment. "Police officers may not knock, listen and then break the door down," she said, without violating the 4th Amendment.

In the past, the court has said police usually may not enter a home unless they have a search warrant or the permission of the owner. As Alito said, "The 4th Amendment has drawn a firm line at the entrance to the house."




Please, educate me on the due process.....

[The King]

I think I will live to see the 2nd American Revolution as the nation collapses under the weight of the ever growing gov't. Maybe even a lot sooner than we realize.

Especially when ex-establishment homers (like me) are looking at it as the only option to make any real difference. I would have laughed at myself several years back.

And what would a 2nd American Revolution install that would necessarily be any better than the current U.S. government? A true democracy??? Doesn't work.

[Grimpala]

You have no clue on due process.

Please educate us then.

[Sean88gt]

Cross hairs?

Damn, it's already starting?!


Picture fails, that is?

[Grimpala]

And if they do, they need to be in jail.

I have the full ability to play devil's advocate/antagonize as much as anyone on the site. Just because I do so and it rubs you the wrong way, then too bad.

Poor policing pisses me off just as much as anyone else. Being professional at all times should be expected. Enforcing the law equitably and fairly should be paramount. Compassion is a very overlooked trait in officers.

Paul Harvey does a good job in this one:

Didn't ever say that it bothered me. Just calling a spade a spade.

[SlowLX]

You make it sound like it's an ongoing, every day occurrance. I'm glad that where I work there are checks and balances to make sure this does not happen. A supervisor approves each warrant before it's taken to a magistrate/judge.

Do you know what is required in a warrant?

You have the good fortune to work from one of the better departments in Texas
Do you really think every large city in America has as clean of a department as Fort Worth? Take Dallas for example or see post 68 http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/sh...3&postcount=68 for example where LA police officers were pretending to have warrants ala Training Day style so they could steal from residents. That was an ONGOING problem with more than one fuck up. Can you verify that you know what goes into getting a no knock warrant in Atlanta? or NYC? or Memphis? Have been around the block so many times that you can guarantee this board without a doubt that EVERY SINGLE police depart in mid to major cities across America is as stringent with their policies as Fort Worth? There is at least 1 post every few months about a police fuck up somewhere in the nation, more often than not it's in a medium to large city. It's not a stretch to assume that the 4th amendment is violated even in minor ways more often than it's reported.

[03trubluGT]

Do you know that the Supreme Court just said they don't need one?



Take a step back and read your own line of logic from a Citizen's point of view. Are you really going to sit there and tell me you don't see any problem with what you're saying?!?!

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. And every DA in the country just rewrote policy overnight to reflect this omnipotent ruling.

You have no clue on due process.

[Denny]

Hobie, your pic of Obama had a red x.

Cross hairs?

[03trubluGT]

Do you know that supervisors can lie and be in cahoots as well?

It seems as if you've realized you lost this battle and are just trolling at this point.

And if they do, they need to be in jail.

I have the full ability to play devil's advocate/antagonize as much as anyone on the site. Just because I do so and it rubs you the wrong way, then too bad.

Poor policing pisses me off just as much as anyone else. Being professional at all times should be expected. Enforcing the law equitably and fairly should be paramount. Compassion is a very overlooked trait in officers.

Paul Harvey does a good job in this one:

[Sean88gt]

Hobie, your pic of Obama had a red x.

[sc281]

You make it sound like it's an ongoing, every day occurrance. I'm glad that where I work there are checks and balances to make sure this does not happen. A supervisor approves each warrant before it's taken to a magistrate/judge.

Do you know what is required in a warrant?

Do you know that the Supreme Court just said they don't need one?



Take a step back and read your own line of logic from a Citizen's point of view. Are you really going to sit there and tell me you don't see any problem with what you're saying?!?!

[Grimpala]

You make it sound like it's an ongoing, every day occurrance. I'm glad that where I work there are checks and balances to make sure this does not happen. A supervisor approves each warrant before it's taken to a magistrate/judge.

Do you know what is required in a warrant?

Do you know that supervisors can lie and be in cahoots as well?

It seems as if you've realized you lost this battle and are just trolling at this point.

[03trubluGT]

Bingo!

And there it is, 3 pages!

[03trubluGT]

It's not fucking reaching, it's very similar to what happened in Atlanta. Gma lives in a less than nice part of town and is 92, so it's safe to assume she's predisposed to paranoia about being robbed. The police got a no knock warrant, BUT someone along the chain of command fucked up and they raided the wrong house. Without announcing their ID and presence in the search for drug dealers at the WRONG HOUSE gma attempted to defend herself from unknown intruders. The cops shot her more than 30 times!!! There were no drugs because they raided the wrong fucking house and murdered an innocent woman. Shit happens in life sure, but this isn't fucking Iraq where casualties of war occasionally happen. If a no knock warrant is going to be issues the exigent circumstances better be fucking verified better than they currently are on average and you better not break into the wrong fucking house and kill and innocent woman.

You make it sound like it's an ongoing, every day occurrance. I'm glad that where I work there are checks and balances to make sure this does not happen. A supervisor approves each warrant before it's taken to a magistrate/judge.

Do you know what is required in a warrant?

[Hobie]

Some responses in this thread remind me of this. The federal gov't completely ignores that their powers are granted to them by the people and not the other way around. Sooner or later after distractions like american idol, kim kardashian, TMZ, and Justin Beiber have all gone away, after the economy has been strangled to death by gov't, America will rise off it's collective fat-ass and push back.

AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING NOTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING NOTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING NOTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING NOTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING NOTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING NOTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING NOTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING NOTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING NOTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!

AS LONG AS YOU'RE DOING NOTHING WRONG YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT!



Do as you're told, don't question authority, pay and pay and pay, trust the goverment we know best, and don't forget to repeat after me - I'M FREE.