Ever been asked for your Social Security number during a traffic stop?

[03trubluGT]

This.

If there is a warrant with the same name, or a SOUNDEX hit, then the SSN is used to confirm or deny that it is the correct person.

For all of you that would refuse to give it, you're just giving the officer a reason to haul you in and have you fingerprinted. All the while your car is towed.

This was good for a LOL!

Oh noes, the Commish!!!!



Seriously, if you play the name game, then expect to be fingerprinted....

Because of either stupidity or people using another's info.



Gee, you are killing me. I haven't had one single complaint in 20 years.

I guess some agencies could, like Luis said, have a blank on the form, but I personally would not ask unless there was a close SOUNDEX hit on the person and that person did not have valid DL or ID.

Most of the times it is someone who claims to have no DL or ID and they try to play the name game.

IMHO, there is NO reason to accumulate SSNs. Even our reporting system has a place for SSN, but I have never asked and I have never put it in a report.

If you have a valid DL and you are getting stopped for traffic violations only, I wouldn't give mine out either.

I have a valid DL, CHL, and Commission Card. There is no way I could be mistaken for a fugitive from justice.

I have. It was hilarious.

Because the question is moot.

Sec. 38.02. FAILURE TO IDENTIFY. (a) A person commits an offense if he intentionally refuses to give his name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has lawfully arrested the person and requested the information.
(b) A person commits an offense if he intentionally gives a false or fictitious name, residence address, or date of birth to a peace officer who has: (1) lawfully arrested the person;(2) lawfully detained the person; or(3) requested the information from a person that the peace officer has good cause to believe is a witness to a criminal offense.
(c) Except as provided by Subsections (d) and (e), an offense under this section is: (1) a Class C misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (a); or(2) a Class B misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (b).
(d) If it is shown on the trial of an offense under this section that the defendant was a fugitive from justice at the time of the offense, the offense is: (1) a Class B misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (a); or(2) a Class A misdemeanor if the offense is committed under Subsection (b).
(e) If conduct that constitutes an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under Section 106.07, Alcoholic Beverage Code, the actor may be prosecuted only under Section 106.07.


Do you see SSN in that statute?

I don't either.


So, what's your next stupid question?

Why would you even give out the last 4 unless absolutely necessary? That's all the info most companies ask when verifying ID. I could do a lot of damage with your name and last 4 of your SSN. One can find your DOB using the interwebz, and then they have all the necessary keys to start the damage.

That was for people that have no ID, or have a SOUNDEX hit.


Next time read the whole thread before you start calling someone out.

Common sense. It helps.

Let me spell it out for you.

If someone claims to have no ID, and the info comes back with a SOUNDEX hit and the physical characteristics are similar, the officer has enough reason to take you down and get you printed.

Simple enough?

I never said that an officer has reason to take you on the sole reason of not providing a SSN.

Is that your way of saying "Uncle"?


Well then, I accept.

Can I haz your $$N?

Alan, I said this because a lot of people have ID, but when they get stopped, they tempt fate and try to provide no info or false info to get out of the ticket.

There are a ton of scenarios, but I like the way you stay out of a conversation and lurk until you find a way to make a stab.

How about some constructive input instead of these hit and run tactics?

Check your PMs.

It takes two.

My dance card was full and you come to save a buddy.

Nice job bitch. Let Jodi fight his own battles.

Of course I didn't provide all the info. I set the bait and it was taken. It makes for more interesting interaction.

This place is 100% predictable when it comes to this topic.

If you think that was crying, you need to get a life. Every post I had was logical, but the typical panty waist DFWM cop hater bullshit got too much for them.

Mabye you can I could chug on over to mabmy-pambly land where mabye we can find some self confidence for ya you jackwagon....

I don't need to explain my post. Maybe you should read them again and then you can grasp the concept.

I've quoted all of my posts so anyone with a brain can see where this started and that I predicated my information with the word "if"....

It's easy to tell the FTP'ers took the tangent and tried to twist and shape my posts down the slippery slope, but in the end, they just refuse to get it.

Simply put, the SSN is not the "end all, be all" of identification. It is not mandatory that you provide it (see Ch. 38). The only scenario I can think of that it is used is for warrant hit identification, and I've already posted that it would not be necessary unless the person stopped did not have ID or the other identifiers present were a possible match.

MattB, Nash, Alan, say what you want, but in the end, this is just another bitch session.

[aggie97]

Why would you even give out the last 4 unless absolutely necessary? That's all the info most companies ask when verifying ID. I could do a lot of damage with your name and last 4 of your SSN. One can find your DOB using the interwebz, and then they have all the necessary keys to start the damage.

I was under the impression the cop already had that info on his data computer and would merely be verifying it against what the driver said. I have no idea what those little computers bring up on the screen during a traffic stop.

My comment of "thinking dumber" was purely stating your procedures have to account for every dumbass under the sun and still consider legal ramifications. Can't just be a simple write the ticket and move on like it used to.

[Wicked98Snake]

Is this thread entertaining enough to read?

Eeeeh only if you're bored. It's just typical FTP stuff

[71chevellejohn]

Is this thread entertaining enough to read?

[rray]

Congrats, Randall. Beats Blockbuster, I'll bet.

Thanks Geof. I'm still working for the Govt. full time, I do the cop thing on my days off.

[Geor!]

I'm new to the LEO game, but we do ask for SS# when we write a citation solely for the purpose of if it goes to a warrant. When asked why I need it I just tell them it's for informational purposes only. If they refuse theyre not going to jail or anything it just makes it more challenging if they FTA or default on payment arrangements.

Congrats, Randall. Beats Blockbuster, I'll bet.

[jewozzy]

Have you ever had your info stolen on the net before? Reason I ask is cause a hit will pop up asking for ss or "password" for people that have had their credit info stolen.

[rray]

I'm new to the LEO game, but we do ask for SS# when we write a citation solely for the purpose of if it goes to a warrant. When asked why I need it I just tell them it's for informational purposes only. If they refuse theyre not going to jail or anything it just makes it more challenging if they FTA or default on payment arrangements.

[SS Junk]

Every post I had was logical...

In a Paladin kind of way, absolutely.

[racrguy]

Oh, hey, look. Something else Matt is screwing up.

[MattB]

I don't need to explain my post. Maybe you should read them again and then you can grasp the concept.

[Nash B.]

There are a ton of scenarios, but I like the way you stay out of a conversation and lurk until you find a way to make a stab.

How about some constructive input instead of these hit and run tactics?

Translated: Wah! Wah!

It takes two.

My dance card was full and you come to save a buddy.

Nice job bitch. Let Jodi fight his own battles.

Translated: Boo hoo!

Every post I had was logical, but the typical panty waist DFWM cop hater bullshit got too much for them.

Saying two things that contradict each other isn't the basis for a logical argument. Just saying!

[Osiris]

Let it die.

[03trubluGT]

LOL @ trueblue. Look, you said you'd haul someone in for not giving out their SS#. Then you said you wouldn't give yours out because you don't have to. It sound like dville didn't have to give his out. So what would you have done in his shoes? Declined to give it out? If so, would you have changed your mind if he said he was going to arrest you? That's my question.

I don't need to explain my post. Maybe you should read them again and then you can grasp the concept.

[03trubluGT]

You were crying because Al and Jody were beating you up with reason, and now you want to say you were baiting them?

If you think that was crying, you need to get a life. Every post I had was logical, but the typical panty waist DFWM cop hater bullshit got too much for them.

Mabye you can I could chug on over to mabmy-pambly land where mabye we can find some self confidence for ya you jackwagon....