How many think that the troops are really fighting for our freedom?

[jnobles06]

In June 1940, Henry L. Stimson, who had been secretary of war under Taft and secretary of state under Hoover, became secretary of war again. Stimson was a lion of the Anglophile, northeastern upper crust and no friend of the Japanese. In support of the so-called Open Door Policy for China, Stimson favored the use of economic sanctions to obstruct Japan’s advance in Asia. Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau and Interior Secretary Harold Ickes vigorously endorsed this policy. Roosevelt hoped that such sanctions would goad the Japanese into making a rash mistake by launching a war against the United States, which would bring in Germany because Japan and Germany were allied.

Accordingly, the Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia.

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930

like i said we weren't in the war. we sought a peaceful resolution by restricting resources to try and impede the war, which is our right as a nation, and then they attacked.

your argument is that they wouldn't have had the resources to wage war on us, but as you can see they would have brought war to us before they ran out because they needed the resources, which they did just that.

hindsight is always 20/20

[Scott Mc]

So you think after hitler took all of Europe his next step wasn't going to be the US?

NAAAAAAAH!!!! He just wanted half the world....

Can I have whatever this guy is drinking right now?

Guess someone forgot about pearl harbor. We weren't even in the war and got attacked.

Doesn't count cause it is an Island and they were in the air!

In all seriousness, IMO WW2 was a turning point for our country. Good or bad, it changed forever.

[cyclonescott]

Guess someone forgot about pearl harbor. We weren't even in the war and got attacked.

In June 1940, Henry L. Stimson, who had been secretary of war under Taft and secretary of state under Hoover, became secretary of war again. Stimson was a lion of the Anglophile, northeastern upper crust and no friend of the Japanese. In support of the so-called Open Door Policy for China, Stimson favored the use of economic sanctions to obstruct Japan’s advance in Asia. Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau and Interior Secretary Harold Ickes vigorously endorsed this policy. Roosevelt hoped that such sanctions would goad the Japanese into making a rash mistake by launching a war against the United States, which would bring in Germany because Japan and Germany were allied.

Accordingly, the Roosevelt administration, while curtly dismissing Japanese diplomatic overtures to harmonize relations, imposed a series of increasingly stringent economic sanctions on Japan. In 1939 the United States terminated the 1911 commercial treaty with Japan. “On July 2, 1940, Roosevelt signed the Export Control Act, authorizing the President to license or prohibit the export of essential defense materials.” Under this authority, “[o]n July 31, exports of aviation motor fuels and lubricants and No. 1 heavy melting iron and steel scrap were restricted.” Next, in a move aimed at Japan, Roosevelt slapped an embargo, effective October 16, “on all exports of scrap iron and steel to destinations other than Britain and the nations of the Western Hemisphere.” Finally, on July 26, 1941, Roosevelt “froze Japanese assets in the United States, thus bringing commercial relations between the nations to an effective end. One week later Roosevelt embargoed the export of such grades of oil as still were in commercial flow to Japan.”[2] The British and the Dutch followed suit, embargoing exports to Japan from their colonies in southeast Asia.

http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1930

[cyclonescott]

So you think after hitler took all of Europe his next step wasn't going to be the US?


Can I have whatever this guy is drinking right now?

Like I said before, Hitler would have never been as successful as he was without the support of backers in the US.

[jnobles06]

So you think after hitler took all of Europe his next step wasn't going to be the US?


Can I have whatever this guy is drinking right now?

Guess someone forgot about pearl harbor. We weren't even in the war and got attacked.

[mstng86]

You know, it kind of sounds like he would have been fine with a nazi Europe.

[slow99]

World Domination!!!! (except for that one country)

[mstng86]

We were too far away to be in any danger. The fact is the infighting between the countries over there would have depleted their resources before they could have ever developed the technology too be able to launch any kind of strike. If anything, American intervention only prolonged the war and made the arms race after the war escalate.

So you think after hitler took all of Europe his next step wasn't going to be the US?


Can I have whatever this guy is drinking right now?

[cyclonescott]

Again, what does that have to do with your statement? You seem be going off on this tinfoil rant about imperialism. I'm saying your original statement in this thread is pure shit and that WWII was a situation where this country (and by extension, our rights) was in imminent peril.

We were too far away to be in any danger. The fact is the infighting between the countries over there would have depleted their resources before they could have ever developed the technology too be able to launch any kind of strike. If anything, American intervention only prolonged the war and made the arms race after the war escalate.

[Broncojohnny]

Sorry, but imperialism and intervention has been the major cause of conflict throughout the world. It is the major cause of problems in the Middle East now. We wouldn’t have the problems that we do now with Iraq if we hadn’t backed Saddam. The same policies that sent Egypt and Libya into tail spins are what caused problems with Iran in the 50’s.

Again, what does that have to do with your statement? You seem be going off on this tinfoil rant about imperialism. I'm saying your original statement in this thread is pure shit and that WWII was a situation where this country (and by extension, our rights) was in imminent peril.

[cyclonescott]

All that the fighting in the Middle East has done is brought about laws that have taken away my freedoms. The passage of these laws has brought about the militarization of the domestic police forces. The expense of these wars has contributed to the loss of my tax dollars which takes away my freedom of choice.
There isn’t a country in the Middle East that can even come close to our military; too think that one of them would invade us is just asinine.
The biggest threat to our freedom is the runaway government spending. If they continue until a financial collapse then I would be afraid of an invasion from Russia and China. If that happens we become the insurgents.

[mstng86]

I don't mind the idea that the troops are fighting to keep our freedom.

What bugs me is us taking over a county under the guise of freeing the people in that country. Its a load of shit. What gives us the right to say we are freeing any people unless they are actually slaves to a person? We are too full of ourselves and need to realize we need to protect our own above all and help out sparingly and in times of great need. Not when we are trying to make a idealogical move.

Almost everything we have done after world war II has been overreaching IMO. We did need to fight the russians every step of the way. And we do have to watch them, as well as China right now. But we have no right to say who is the correct leader for a country. I get the reasoning behind why we want people in power, but it really isn't our business in the end.

[turboford]

I think we'd be hurting if we were ever invaded on the southern shores.

[jnobles06]

i just don't pretend its about freedom, to make myself feel all warm and fuzzy, when i know its not. if it was, i'd be able to drive with out a seat belt without getting harassed, smoke all the dope i want without getting arrested, and the popular vote would be the only vote.

[jnobles06]

Well if you argued for it, you must believe it right? Unless you just Google pasted some bullshit.

i didn't argue for it or against it. i just accept the fucked up way it works and live with it because i do like the luxuries it affords.